Patch Notes: Important Point for Warrior Tanks in LFG

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Seyon on 06/26/2012, 07:45 AM - view
apparently i am. please, if you will, explain then?

(in case they were missed earlier:
http://youtu.be/Y4PrwpGQFfI
http://youtu.be/5mWJ0JuIEOo )


Alright, let's run with that. Very nice videos.

Now, how many of those warriors are gonna queu to tank? Could it be that everytime you queu, THAT kind of warrior is the tank, or some run off the mill warrior? Let's also take into consideration the difference between a T12 +9 warrior and one that isn't, and how much work it takes to be one to the other. A well geared warrior can tank with a good group, good heals sure. One that isn't geared, isn't much to take a chance on even in normal mode.

Take a fresh level 60 warrior, have him tank the Lancer Boss in Fane. Have fun. A fresh 60 lancer can swing it, I've seen it. A warrior? Good luck.

Ya I know, it the "skillz". People got frothing at the mouth. Ya gotta have skillz warrior to tank blah blah blah. Very good. Now wipe yourself off and face reality, here's what's going to happen:

1) Instead of waiting up to 2 hours, now only a few minutes - warriors will queu up as tank whether they actually could or not.

2) By this time next week, people will be squealing to take warriors off queu as tank. Lancers will be even more revered.

3) The lot of idiots will blast the "skillz" bit out the arse, blaming it all on warriors for not having any.

4) Even more people will be pissed off than before - queuing will suck worse than before.

Feel free to quote all of the above.


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Edited by: PhillipVIII 11 months ago
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I just hope there is a check in place to make sure warriors are spec'ed for tanking, holding aggro in this game after about level 40ish starts getting iffy if you aren't properly crystaled and spec'ed for it.

I tanked with my warrior up to level 56 without enormous problems.
It was fane that broke me, not the bosses the damn mobs with the axes that never stop swinging for like 3 minutes straight. That's what the warrior needs a block for.
Sure you can run around like an idiot and avoid it but then dps gets slow and the whole mess drags out.
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PhillipVIII on 06/26/2012, 08:12 AM - view
Seyon on 06/26/2012, 07:45 AM
apparently i am. please, if you will, explain then?

(in case they were missed earlier:
http://youtu.be/Y4PrwpGQFfI
http://youtu.be/5mWJ0JuIEOo )


Alright, let's run with that. Very nice videos.

Now, how many of those warriors are gonna queu to tank? Could it be that everytime you queu, THAT kind of warrior is the tank, or some run off the mill warrior? Let's also take into consideration the difference between a T12 +9 warrior and one that isn't, and how much work it takes to be one to the other. A well geared warrior can tank with a good group, good heals sure. One that isn't geared, isn't much to take a chance on even in normal mode.

Take a fresh level 60 warrior, have him tank the Lancer Boss in Fane. Have fun. A fresh 60 lancer can swing it, I've seen it. A warrior? Good luck.

Ya I know, it the "skillz". People got frothing at the mouth. Ya gotta have skillz warrior to tank blah blah blah. Very good. Now wipe yourself off and face reality, here's what's going to happen:

1) Instead of waiting up to 2 hours, now only a few minutes - warriors will queu up as tank whether they actually could or not.

2) By this time next week, people will be squealing to take warriors off queu as tank. Lancers will be even more revered.

3) The lot of idiots will blast the "skillz" bit out the arse, blaming it all on warriors for not having any.

4) Even more people will be pissed off than before - queuing will suck worse than before.

Feel free to quote all of the above.


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oh, ive thought from the time it was announced that 90% of the warriors who queue as tank for level 60 dungeons are going to suck at it. no doubt. that the way you made your first statement made it sound like warriors tanking was an abysmal idea. while 90% of warriors will suck at it, 99% of other classes would. and it was known from the start a warrior had a harder time doing the same job as a lancer, that was where the 5 star raiting came in to begin with.

it will be less than 24 hours before there is a post about removing warrior queues, but i dont see queues being worse than before from this change O.o
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It was to my understanding that Warriors will be able to queue as DPS or as TANK in the LFD tool. They have a choice, so hopefully they won't queue for tank if they DPS.
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GoreOFJaggedCoast on 06/26/2012, 08:42 AM - view
It was to my understanding that Warriors will be able to queue as DPS or as TANK in the LFD tool. They have a choice, so hopefully they won't queue for tank if they DPS.


some people are simply terrible at the basics. ive had this happen 5-6 times in "that other game" from classes that could potentially spec as tank. join the group and ask who was tanking. one even admitted outright that he queued as a tank for the instant queue while he didnt have a tanking spec -.-
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i still think that the main thing a warrior tank needed wasnt a block, but a ranged taunt... as it is nearly impossible to get aggro back on a target running away from you, unless your backstab stuns, every time u get within range to hit them and get threat, you will just get knocked down. as for you naysayers, i think with the block, it will be possible for new warriors to tank reg fane with 138 ilevel. it is already possible at 140, and if they fixed the glitches, it could be done at 138 already.
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PhillipVIII on 06/26/2012, 08:12 AM - view
Seyon on 06/26/2012, 07:45 AM
apparently i am. please, if you will, explain then?

(in case they were missed earlier:
http://youtu.be/Y4PrwpGQFfI
http://youtu.be/5mWJ0JuIEOo )


Alright, let's run with that. Very nice videos.

Now, how many of those warriors are gonna queu to tank? Could it be that everytime you queu, THAT kind of warrior is the tank, or some run off the mill warrior? Let's also take into consideration the difference between a T12 +9 warrior and one that isn't, and how much work it takes to be one to the other. A well geared warrior can tank with a good group, good heals sure. One that isn't geared, isn't much to take a chance on even in normal mode.

Take a fresh level 60 warrior, have him tank the Lancer Boss in Fane. Have fun. A fresh 60 lancer can swing it, I've seen it. A warrior? Good luck.

Ya I know, it the "skillz". People got frothing at the mouth. Ya gotta have skillz warrior to tank blah blah blah. Very good. Now wipe yourself off and face reality, here's what's going to happen:

1) Instead of waiting up to 2 hours, now only a few minutes - warriors will queu up as tank whether they actually could or not.

2) By this time next week, people will be squealing to take warriors off queu as tank. Lancers will be even more revered.

3) The lot of idiots will blast the "skillz" bit out the arse, blaming it all on warriors for not having any.

4) Even more people will be pissed off than before - queuing will suck worse than before.

Feel free to quote all of the above.


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You do the typical "I can have everything, but you can have nothing" argument in this 'discussion' and seem to think that ALL Lancers are smart enough to know the difference between the BLOCK and the NOTBLOCK buttons. You'd be surprised how many do not. Actually, you wouldn't be, since you'd apply the first point to it.
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PhillipVIII on 06/26/2012, 07:25 AM - view
Warrior tank now? Another dumbass decision. Jeezuz H. christ.


Educate yourself:

http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/Warriors-are-the-best-tanks-in-Tera
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Xicor on 06/26/2012, 09:01 AM - view
i still think that the main thing a warrior tank needed wasnt a block, but a ranged taunt... as it is nearly impossible to get aggro back on a target running away from you, unless your backstab stuns, every time u get within range to hit them and get threat, you will just get knocked down. as for you naysayers, i think with the block, it will be possible for new warriors to tank reg fane with 138 ilevel. it is already possible at 140, and if they fixed the glitches, it could be done at 138 already.

In regards to ranged taunts, I'd say leave this thing so that I can use it to tell lancers to shut it when they complain about warriors being able to do anything they can. I'll just have to try hard to regain aggro if I ever lose it.
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As a Level 60 warrior who is planning to take up the tanking role (Lv 147 currently) I have a deep concern for the warrior community as a whole or I should say how we will be precieved here on out.

EME is essentially shooting our class in the foot by giving us the ability to Q as a tank before our meathods of how to tank will drasticly change in a month or so. While there will indeed be some adequate tanks that step up I think what we are going to see is a massive slowing to the dungon progression especially in PUGS.


IMO I feel EME is making this change for that reason alone. The know the learning curve will take at least a month or so and it becomes a way for them to regulate in a way how fast people are getting their gear. This combined with the current RNG will equate to many individuals taking much longer to get their gear.