Retsopmi
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Guilds. Get one, run with one, complaining stops.
IVoXI
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Xicor on 06/01/2012, 01:33 PM - view
People have to learn and to do that, they have to do the instance. You shouldn't be in game period, scumbag. Die in a car fire.
Jelio on 06/01/2012, 01:28 PMThere should be a penalty for kicking a member out of an instance to prevent excessive kicking.
If I go into an instance and say "hey guys its my first time" I get kicked.
If I just keep my mouth shut I still get kicked.
If they ask me if I can solo a kuma under 3 min I say "I dunno but I can try", i get kicked.
How am I suppose to learn? Hell, how am I suppose to even play if I keep getting kicked out of instances. I have to wait 1 hr everytime. My ilev is 141. I know it' low but damn, if I can get into an instance I should have a chance at it.
What should be the penalty? I would say 15 min cool down before they can recruit another member. Seems fair right? If a person leave a party on your own accord, they get 15 min penalty for leaving their "comrades". It should also work other way around.
it sounds like you are talking about ToT... and if you cant kill kumas in 3min... then you shouldnt be there.
People have to learn and to do that, they have to do the instance. You shouldn't be in game period, scumbag. Die in a car fire.
Edited by: IVoXI
12 months ago
linofer
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what has to do??? let me see
"The gear "proves" that you have some level of proficiency. If you just waltz into a new or upper tier instance with nothing showing your abilities and claim you've never done something before you will get kicked"
once again I did BT with Ilvl 139 so actually gear means [filtered] if it is the reason to get kick out of a group
"The gear "proves" that you have some level of proficiency. If you just waltz into a new or upper tier instance with nothing showing your abilities and claim you've never done something before you will get kicked"
once again I did BT with Ilvl 139 so actually gear means [filtered] if it is the reason to get kick out of a group
Elethor
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Scythes on 06/01/2012, 02:55 PM - view
But neither of those can be provided when a player is kicked for not have run the instance before, or before he even has a chance to show what he can do. This is happening more and more, players kicking if item level is below X, if the player is a zerker or archer, if the player has never been there before.
More and more people in the LFD are using it to find the perfect player for their group and that isn't what it is for. And while guides and videos can be extremely helpful (look up SheepheadCG on youtube for great ones) there is no substitute for the experience of actually running the instance.
Elethor on 06/01/2012, 02:45 PMScythes on 06/01/2012, 02:40 PMNo, shouldn't be a penalty.
If you want to learn you need to be tactful about it and at least have semi-decent gear. The gear "proves" that you have some level of proficiency. If you just waltz into a new or upper tier instance with nothing showing your abilities and claim you've never done something before you will get kicked, and with good reason. There's no reason they should believe that you're any good and have to waste their time with you. If it's FoK? It's entry level. No reason to kick from that.
ToT requires individual skill more than any other instance. Is it hard? Na. But still it puts more emphasis on the individual. If you can't prove immediately that you have skill, you're potentially wasting an hour of their time and patience.
If they want an in-it-to-win-it group then they should be trying to form a group from friends or guildies. If someone is wanting the best of the best then stay the hell out of the LFD tool. It is just asinine to enter into a random grouping system and then get picky with who you want to play with, you don't use the LFD to find the cream of the crop, that should be done on one's home server.
You should read the rest of my post that I edited.
No one's asking for "cream of the crop." Just either experience or proof of ability.
But neither of those can be provided when a player is kicked for not have run the instance before, or before he even has a chance to show what he can do. This is happening more and more, players kicking if item level is below X, if the player is a zerker or archer, if the player has never been there before.
More and more people in the LFD are using it to find the perfect player for their group and that isn't what it is for. And while guides and videos can be extremely helpful (look up SheepheadCG on youtube for great ones) there is no substitute for the experience of actually running the instance.
Scythes
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Elethor on 06/01/2012, 03:20 PM - view
I explained in my post how not to get kicked. Everyone SOMEHOW did their instance a first time. How do you think they did it? There's a way, people just have to stop being blind and asking for other people to be punished for other people not wanting to waste their time.
linofer on 06/01/2012, 03:18 PM
I did put "proves" in quotes, didn't I? Also, you don't seem to be reading my posts at all. And if you are, you're not understanding them.
Scythes on 06/01/2012, 02:55 PMElethor on 06/01/2012, 02:45 PMScythes on 06/01/2012, 02:40 PMNo, shouldn't be a penalty.
If you want to learn you need to be tactful about it and at least have semi-decent gear. The gear "proves" that you have some level of proficiency. If you just waltz into a new or upper tier instance with nothing showing your abilities and claim you've never done something before you will get kicked, and with good reason. There's no reason they should believe that you're any good and have to waste their time with you. If it's FoK? It's entry level. No reason to kick from that.
ToT requires individual skill more than any other instance. Is it hard? Na. But still it puts more emphasis on the individual. If you can't prove immediately that you have skill, you're potentially wasting an hour of their time and patience.
If they want an in-it-to-win-it group then they should be trying to form a group from friends or guildies. If someone is wanting the best of the best then stay the hell out of the LFD tool. It is just asinine to enter into a random grouping system and then get picky with who you want to play with, you don't use the LFD to find the cream of the crop, that should be done on one's home server.
You should read the rest of my post that I edited.
No one's asking for "cream of the crop." Just either experience or proof of ability.
But neither of those can be provided when a player is kicked for not have run the instance before, or before he even has a chance to show what he can do. This is happening more and more, players kicking if item level is below X, if the player is a zerker or archer, if the player has never been there before.
More and more people in the LFD are using it to find the perfect player for their group and that isn't what it is for. And while guides and videos can be extremely helpful (look up SheepheadCG on youtube for great ones) there is no substitute for the experience of actually running the instance.
I explained in my post how not to get kicked. Everyone SOMEHOW did their instance a first time. How do you think they did it? There's a way, people just have to stop being blind and asking for other people to be punished for other people not wanting to waste their time.
linofer on 06/01/2012, 03:18 PM
what has to do??? let me see
"The gear "proves" that you have some level of proficiency. If you just waltz into a new or upper tier instance with nothing showing your abilities and claim you've never done something before you will get kicked"
once again I did BT with Ilvl 139 so actually gear means [filtered] if it is the reason to get kick out of a group
I did put "proves" in quotes, didn't I? Also, you don't seem to be reading my posts at all. And if you are, you're not understanding them.
Elethor
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Scythes on 06/01/2012, 03:44 PM - view
"Experience or proof of ability" Like I said those can't be shown when people get kicked within minutes of their first run now can they?
I main as an archer and will eventually be running Fok and BoT. It is well known that people boot archers almost immediately when they join due to the stigma of being a bad class. Now I ask you, if I am booted within 2 mins of joining the group how am I to show my "experience or ability"? Oh right, I can't....
Elethor on 06/01/2012, 03:20 PMScythes on 06/01/2012, 02:55 PMElethor on 06/01/2012, 02:45 PMScythes on 06/01/2012, 02:40 PMNo, shouldn't be a penalty.
If you want to learn you need to be tactful about it and at least have semi-decent gear. The gear "proves" that you have some level of proficiency. If you just waltz into a new or upper tier instance with nothing showing your abilities and claim you've never done something before you will get kicked, and with good reason. There's no reason they should believe that you're any good and have to waste their time with you. If it's FoK? It's entry level. No reason to kick from that.
ToT requires individual skill more than any other instance. Is it hard? Na. But still it puts more emphasis on the individual. If you can't prove immediately that you have skill, you're potentially wasting an hour of their time and patience.
If they want an in-it-to-win-it group then they should be trying to form a group from friends or guildies. If someone is wanting the best of the best then stay the hell out of the LFD tool. It is just asinine to enter into a random grouping system and then get picky with who you want to play with, you don't use the LFD to find the cream of the crop, that should be done on one's home server.
You should read the rest of my post that I edited.
No one's asking for "cream of the crop." Just either experience or proof of ability.
But neither of those can be provided when a player is kicked for not have run the instance before, or before he even has a chance to show what he can do. This is happening more and more, players kicking if item level is below X, if the player is a zerker or archer, if the player has never been there before.
More and more people in the LFD are using it to find the perfect player for their group and that isn't what it is for. And while guides and videos can be extremely helpful (look up SheepheadCG on youtube for great ones) there is no substitute for the experience of actually running the instance.
I explained in my post how not to get kicked. Everyone SOMEHOW did their instance a first time. How do you think they did it? There's a way, people just have to stop being blind and asking for other people to be punished for other people not wanting to waste their time.
linofer on 06/01/2012, 03:18 PMwhat has to do??? let me see
"The gear "proves" that you have some level of proficiency. If you just waltz into a new or upper tier instance with nothing showing your abilities and claim you've never done something before you will get kicked"
once again I did BT with Ilvl 139 so actually gear means [filtered] if it is the reason to get kick out of a group
I did put "proves" in quotes, didn't I? Also, you don't seem to be reading my posts at all. And if you are, you're not understanding them.
"Experience or proof of ability" Like I said those can't be shown when people get kicked within minutes of their first run now can they?
I main as an archer and will eventually be running Fok and BoT. It is well known that people boot archers almost immediately when they join due to the stigma of being a bad class. Now I ask you, if I am booted within 2 mins of joining the group how am I to show my "experience or ability"? Oh right, I can't....
Segar
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they did get lost on the Quotes to reply, It happens like this all the time when a troll or someone who doesnt read the orignal Post compeltely.
As for the Situation for Booting because of class/gear/itemlvl/crystas/lack of experince
is becoming a bit of annoyance to anyone who is trying to get not only experince or
gear for it. Been thinking about this and its starting to bring back memories of warcraft when
people would boot people for lack of achivements or Gearscore. I'm starting to think
these same loosers/poozers are now in this game.
As for Penailty for insta booting without PROPER REASON FOR BOOTING.
It will make more work for the GMs or CSRs that handle banning/invstigations.
BUT:
'The LFG/LFD tool is ment to create groups with cross servers to better enhance gameplay
for those that choose to be a lone wolf. But also for others who dont have right amount
of population for certain classes. Or Enough population within guilds.'
Penalty <sp> for abusing the kick option should be put in with REASON FOR BOOTing
a player. Should the player feel that he/she was booted for incorrect Reason(s) can
sumit a Registered complant against the Booter/group. Should the investigation prove
that there was no VAILD Reason for booting someone. The penailty<sp> should
be that the indivudal(s) should have their charactor Rolled back to BEFORE Completing
the Instance run in question.
I'm not sure if this will be fair or not, or have checked for loopholes on this. But so far this
seems like a sudjestion for the moment. But I said, It will create MORE WORK For the already
busy staff that handles Bans/invistagtions. Any thoughts?
As for the Situation for Booting because of class/gear/itemlvl/crystas/lack of experince
is becoming a bit of annoyance to anyone who is trying to get not only experince or
gear for it. Been thinking about this and its starting to bring back memories of warcraft when
people would boot people for lack of achivements or Gearscore. I'm starting to think
these same loosers/poozers are now in this game.
As for Penailty for insta booting without PROPER REASON FOR BOOTING.
It will make more work for the GMs or CSRs that handle banning/invstigations.
BUT:
'The LFG/LFD tool is ment to create groups with cross servers to better enhance gameplay
for those that choose to be a lone wolf. But also for others who dont have right amount
of population for certain classes. Or Enough population within guilds.'
Penalty <sp> for abusing the kick option should be put in with REASON FOR BOOTing
a player. Should the player feel that he/she was booted for incorrect Reason(s) can
sumit a Registered complant against the Booter/group. Should the investigation prove
that there was no VAILD Reason for booting someone. The penailty<sp> should
be that the indivudal(s) should have their charactor Rolled back to BEFORE Completing
the Instance run in question.
I'm not sure if this will be fair or not, or have checked for loopholes on this. But so far this
seems like a sudjestion for the moment. But I said, It will create MORE WORK For the already
busy staff that handles Bans/invistagtions. Any thoughts?
CaelumDragon
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It is completely understandable for the OP to be upset over being kicked for something as
simple as not having the experience in whatever instance the group happens to be in. Its a catch 22 because he/she needs experience in the dungeon to become proficient in that dungeon but cant ever run that dungeon because everyone is looking for someone with experience. The suggestion of trying to get a guild run together is commendable but what if the server he/she is on is very low pop and the guild they are in most of the people are not at their level or off playing D3?
I would suggest trying to recruit people in your same situation and running ti together in order to gain the experience you need to run the instances you are trying to run. And if all else fails maybe server transfer to a server with a couple of very large guilds and try your luck there?
simple as not having the experience in whatever instance the group happens to be in. Its a catch 22 because he/she needs experience in the dungeon to become proficient in that dungeon but cant ever run that dungeon because everyone is looking for someone with experience. The suggestion of trying to get a guild run together is commendable but what if the server he/she is on is very low pop and the guild they are in most of the people are not at their level or off playing D3?
I would suggest trying to recruit people in your same situation and running ti together in order to gain the experience you need to run the instances you are trying to run. And if all else fails maybe server transfer to a server with a couple of very large guilds and try your luck there?
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Elethor on 06/01/2012, 04:13 PM - view
Do you think people are just born without their instance virginity?
Also, I've never been in a run with an Archer or Berserker where one was ever kicked. I've done BT runs where we've had me as a DPS (Slayer) and 2 Berserkers (one without an enchanted weapon) where we did the run fine. Not always will you get kicked from a group for being that class. If you get "insta-kicked" it's usually because your gear is too low for their liking or your experience. If you have the gear (which you can buy, and I did and had to, but only the regular 60 weapon) they will usually give you a shot. If you don't have the experience, run with a guildy or something. Just do it once. Now you have experience. SURPRISE! Now you can tell the group without lying that you've done the instance and they will likely keep you.
"Experience or proof of ability" Like I said those can't be shown when people get kicked within minutes of their first run now can they?
I main as an archer and will eventually be running Fok and BoT. It is well known that people boot archers almost immediately when they join due to the stigma of being a bad class. Now I ask you, if I am booted within 2 mins of joining the group how am I to show my "experience or ability"? Oh right, I can't....
Do you think people are just born without their instance virginity?
Also, I've never been in a run with an Archer or Berserker where one was ever kicked. I've done BT runs where we've had me as a DPS (Slayer) and 2 Berserkers (one without an enchanted weapon) where we did the run fine. Not always will you get kicked from a group for being that class. If you get "insta-kicked" it's usually because your gear is too low for their liking or your experience. If you have the gear (which you can buy, and I did and had to, but only the regular 60 weapon) they will usually give you a shot. If you don't have the experience, run with a guildy or something. Just do it once. Now you have experience. SURPRISE! Now you can tell the group without lying that you've done the instance and they will likely keep you.