People are already being elitist. Why no DPS meters?

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So you've all heard how archers suck and should be kicked from every instance group, right? Same with zerks?

Groups will pass up an amazing archer in favor of a garbage slayer, then wonder why they wipe on HMs.

The point is, the kind of elitism everyone was afraid of from DPS meters being in the game is already here, it's just that people are literally DOING IT WRONG.

They have no solid numbers, so they instead believe the latest BS rumors about which classes are good and which suck, instead of going by the empirical data gathered by an in-game DPS meter.

Suck it up and add them to the game, already. The group is going to kick SOMEONE. Shouldn't it be the person who is ACTUALLY causing them to wipe?

I'd like a couple things such as:

-Damage done
-Damage taken
-Damage done minus damage taken
-Damage blocked
-Damage dodged (the game should be able to figure this out, really).

Would they hide the tank's health so we can't tell how bad the tank is? No.

Would they hide party health so we can't tell how bad the healer is? No.

So why do they hide the DPS information so we can't tell how bad the DPS are?
Edited by: Destian 12 months ago
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/agree.

Without DPS meters people are basing their elitist opinions on conjecture rather than any sort of evidence and it's pretty sad.

That being said, I've reversed my stance on LFD. I run with a group of 4 that I know and if the 5th doesn't pull their weight they get kicked.

GG on also encouraging this because dungeon cd timers are twice as long for people who walk into a dungeon vs people who queue.
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We don't need an ingame dps meter. We just needa good combat log so that parser programs can be made.
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I can understand your grievance Destian and I wouldn't mind a DPS meter but in TERA a good DPS may not be at the top of the charts because they are actually watching and moving as opposed to the person wanting to top the chart and just pressing their hot keys.

As far as booting a class from a group I find really stupid and closed minded try forming a group on your server instead of match making maybe? Arach is a nice PvE server with lots of lvl 60s, great community and guilds. Come join us and I bet you'll have a great time without DPS meters.
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Retsopmi on 06/05/2012, 01:11 PM - view
We don't need an ingame dps meter. We just needa good combat log so that parser programs can be made.


I'd agree except that Tera's support for mods is limited at best.

I'd like a couple things such as:

-Damage done
-Damage taken
-Damage done minus damage taken
-Damage blocked
-Damage dodged (the game should be able to figure this out, really).

Tera's combat meters could be AMAZING because the combat is actually a great deal deeper than that of, say, WoW.
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Starwish on 06/05/2012, 01:13 PM - view
I can understand your grievance Destian and I wouldn't mind a DPS meter but in TERA a good DPS may not be at the top of the charts because they are actually watching and moving as opposed to the person wanting to top the chart and just pressing their hot keys.

As far as booting a class from a group I find really stupid and closed minded try forming a group on your server instead of match making maybe? Arach is a nice PvE server with lots of lvl 60s, great community and guilds. Come join us and I bet you'll have a great time without DPS meters.


I play a priest so it's not even my problem personally. I just keep hearing about archers getting kicked because they're archers instead of the performance of the player.
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Destian on 06/05/2012, 01:03 PM - view
So you've all heard how archers suck and should be kicked from every instance group, right? Same with zerks?

Groups will pass up an amazing archer in favor of a garbage slayer, then wonder why they wipe on HMs.

The point is, the kind of elitism everyone was afraid of from DPS meters being in the game is already here, it's just that people are literally DOING IT WRONG.

They have no solid numbers, so they instead believe the latest BS rumors about which classes are good and which suck, instead of going by the empirical data gathered by an in-game DPS meter.

Suck it up and add them to the game, already. The group is going to kick SOMEONE. Shouldn't it be the person who is ACTUALLY causing them to wipe?


Destian at it again! Great post man.

Personally, I can't wait until some parsers or a fully fleshed out Recount-like meter is added to this game.

@Starwish
See, that's the thing though. There is going to be DPS who can SURVIVE... and then there is going to be DPS who can SURVIVE WHILE DOING DAMAGE. A meter showing damage done/damage taken/etc. will show this. It will show who's the better player. Usually.

Such a great tool.
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Destian on 06/05/2012, 01:03 PM - view
So you've all heard how archers suck and should be kicked from every instance group, right? Same with zerks?

Groups will pass up an amazing archer in favor of a garbage slayer, then wonder why they wipe on HMs.

The point is, the kind of elitism everyone was afraid of from DPS meters being in the game is already here, it's just that people are literally DOING IT WRONG.

They have no solid numbers, so they instead believe the latest BS rumors about which classes are good and which suck, instead of going by the empirical data gathered by an in-game DPS meter.

Suck it up and add them to the game, already. The group is going to kick SOMEONE. Shouldn't it be the person who is ACTUALLY causing them to wipe?

Except people generally don't decide which classes suck based on numbers or rumors, they do it on personal experience. And when personal experience agrees across virtually the whole server...

My point is no one ever needed a log parser to tell that berserkers and archers often hold back group DPS. You can feel it when playing alongside them. Stack the two and it becomes painfully obvious.
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I agree 100% with destian. Meters are needed. I onyl wish they list damage done, not dps.

@starwish. No, a good dps will be at the top. A bad dps is someone who either tries to dps but cant, or is so concerned about dying and looking bad that hey dont do any dps at all.

If there are two dps in the group, the better one in that fight was the one on top of the chart. This might be a class issue, a gear issue, or a player issue, but the better toon sits on top.

A good dps both does good damage and survives. A bad dps will do one but not the other. A terrible dps will do neither.
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zeruel1223 on 06/05/2012, 01:18 PM - view

Except people generally don't decide which classes suck based on numbers or rumors, they do it on personal experience. And when personal experience agrees across virtually the whole server...

My point is no one ever needed a log parser to tell that berserkers and archers often hold back group DPS. You can feel it when playing alongside them. Stack the two and it becomes painfully obvious.


You sir, are a fool. I have run with some extraordinary archers and zerkers. I have seen awful slayers and sorcs as well.

I would suggest you look up heuristics and confirmation bias before commenting further.