So western mentality...everyone for themselves and tools that promote such mentality. all DPS meters will do is make people do even less teamwork they already are doing.

Most of the time a fail situation is lack of teamwork, which is apparently a staple of elitism at its worse.

Quote: kukuru on 06/07/2012, 10:18 AM - view

Except they have enraged timers on some end game bosses that requires DPS to work on their job.

I don't know about DPS meter, while it's good to show off, but ppl will abuse it and only accept members in an instance if they have met the DPS check. Guilds will take ppl in raids only when they can pull a certain number of DPS on a dummy, or they sit in bench...

Quote: kukuru on 06/07/2012, 10:18 AM - view

EXACTLY.

You sir, are someone who gets it.

again...

kicked from group because of rumors and speculation

or

kicked from group for having sub par performance


Either way elitist jerks are gonna kick someone, deservedly or not. Personally I prefer getting kicked because I'm having a bad run over being kicked for my class choice or because I don't have what people think is the required amount of gear regardless of my ability to perform.

The primary thing that keeps cropping up in the anti-dps meter argument is that people will start kicking others over the dps meter. The problem with that is people are kicking whole classes and people without +9 gear based on speculation when the reality is performance will vary from person to person.

Please, explain to me how it is worse to be kicked because of your class choice or how upgraded your gear is can somehow be worse for the player base than dps meters.

oh how about don't ever get kicked from a group again? STOP RUNNING WITH A BUNCH OF STRANGERS YOU DON'T KNOW!!! Like duh, If your joining a pug for endgame content go ahead and expect the worse, lol. You prolly deserve the worst for thinking other people will except you for who you are, (that may fly more so in real life), but we're all playing the same game. If someone doesn't like your class, screw them. Go join a casual guild or meet some casual friends that have the same expectations as you, no matter how low or high they are.


MMO's are not meant to be played with a pug style group of people that don't know each other from jack. DPS meters shouldn't matter if your a casual, if some hardcore guild or player wants to know what's going on fine but if you don't care than stay out of pugs. Go build your own group with friends from your server and make friends with them.

Its not rocket science, what's rocket science?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_zAXIAdGIg

^ here's your answer.

Quote: bakimono on 06/07/2012, 10:36 AM - view

The problem the minority pro-DPS meters group of people are having, and that many in this thread are attempting to explain, is that DPS meters are not the solution for the kicking of perceivable weak classes. DPS meters will only add an additional problem, not solve the problem. The only real way to solve the problem the OP brings up is the buffing of those classes, not DPS meters.

Besides, there are many things that a player can do with the skills available to any given class to help win a battle. All DPS meters do is force players to neglect skills that don't reflect DPS output because if they do it will affect their bottom line DPS output. And if this is the case, then why give any classes any other skills that are non-DPS related but more team oriented, if players are going to ultimately neglect those skills for fear that it will detract from their bottom-line DPS output.

I just don't get this DPS meters crutch some of these players have. The only explanation for it is that they are so used to using them from their years playing WOW that when they play a game that doesn't have it, they're like "OMIGAH, NO METERS SO I CAN'T BRAG ABOUT MY UBER FABULOUSNESS."

Let it go, concentrate on being part of a team, and play the game.

I quit WoW before BC and I have no interest in flaunting anything. I run with my guild, they generally know what I can and can't do and so do I.

Also I disagree that the pro-dps meter people are in the minority, among the people I've asked there's almost a 3 to 1 positive response to them.

So you're saying that dps'ers will neglect skills that aren't the best choice for pumping out more dps? Wow, what a concept. It's not like I don't already to that, and I imagine any player with decent skill does that as well. So your argument here is it will cause the dps classes to improve.... neat.

A DPS meter is not a crutch. It does not make things easier, it gives you a gauge.

So far your primary argument is a dps meter will only make the problem worse, but your reinforcement is that it will cause people to pick optimal skills over sub-par ones. Which is exactly *why* most of us who want the meter... want them.

It would be nice to have some concrete numbers that skill x is less effective than using skill y in this situation because it puts out less damage, and is therefore less effective rather than just eyeballing. Not saying I am incapable of eyeballing, just having the actual numbers would be nice.

I can generally tell about how long a foot is, but I'm not going to start making cuts to build something without taking measurements first.

Your argument is pointless. People will kick people out of groups for any reason. It's the crap community that's the problem, not the game's lack of a dps meter. I DON'T want yet another reason for people to act like jerks thanks. So no, I am very glad there isn't a damage meter. How are you going to fix group disbands and player kicking by adding another tool for people to exclude others? "Oops, sorry Timmy, but it looks like my dps meter says you're not doing enough damage." /kick

Also note those classes are being buffed and a lot of the conjecture about archers is based on old k-Tera info and they *were* buffed between k-Tera launch and the NA Tera launch yet the old stereotype based on bad info still remains across translation of the game.

So clearly buffing alone with no way to actually gauge what those buffs really mean is not the solution.

Quote: Suziana on 06/07/2012, 11:33 AM - view

So people getting kicked because they are archer or zerker or don't have+9 weps is somehow better?

I've seen the light, lets just leave it so people who enjoy archers and zerkers just get dumped on by the community and end up hating endgame and getting demotivated to keep playing because the DPS meter will cause jerks to keep being jerks.

I'm not a zerker or archer so why should I care?