Please keep player (pet) shops in the game.

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EdgeTO on 03/22/2012, 12:38 PM - view
Alesiana on 03/22/2012, 11:40 AM
fkujustin on 03/22/2012, 11:33 AM
YES TO SHOPS.
NO TO HATERS.

ITS THE SMALL THINGS IN LIFE THAT I ENJOY. SAME GOES FOR GAMES. CAN WE HAVE OUR SHOPS BACK NOW?


has nothing to do with hate.

Has more to do with logic.
- Shops = spamming (RMT / Clan Advertisement / Pointless Random Shops titles)
- Shops = false advertising
- Shops = scamming (setup a buy shop and say Selling CHEAP Medals)
- Shops = Not centralized
- Shops = Blocking Interactable NPCS

In short, More harm is done to the game than good.

Using the Interface option to remove shops:
- Reduces your chance for sale.
- Reduces your chances for buy.
- Player wont be able to see what good you may have that they may need/want

This solution is not the best as it basically reduces the stores chances to sell/buy items.


-Many of your points are just wrong
-Other points you make are considered a strength of player shops
-I disagree with everything you just said.


Points aren't wrong I witnessed it first hand bunch of random noobs put there petshops infront of the trade broker making it impossible to target. I had to press alt and manuelly press on the trade broker. this happened in velika. I aint going to remove petshop from my UI because I do infact check to see the prices to see if there's anything worth buying for enchant fodder.

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You are either playing dumb or just simply ignorant imo because the next 4 points are true and I've witnessed these in Lineage 2 / K-Tera / EU-Tera / Na-Tera; Same old crap doesn't change 1 bit.
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- Shops = false advertising (people setup shops saying cheap when in reality they're not cheap) I've checked shops sometimes when I see them along the path to my next quest just to see if they have something worth buying. they're worthless Over priced items which are not even worth buying really your going to charge a white drop that lvl 17 for 30k? when they are like @ times 700-1k?

- Shops = scamming (setup a buy shop and say Selling CHEAP Medals) I've seen some shops scamming saying WTS Cheap medals. IF You have medals and you fail to look it thru thoroughly you may/will accedently sell off your medals instead of expecting to actually buy it. This same scam is down in n e private shop. @ Least in a Trade broker it is NOT Romotely possible to scam because its all layed out in spreed sheet form (lvl / quantity / price / total)

- Shops = Not centralized This is confirmed by Enmasse. Don't even have to explain this. All it takes is common sense is logic.

- Shops = spamming (RMT / Clan Advertisement / Pointless Random Shops titles)
If you didn't see the spamming yet in k-tera about clan and rmt websites refer to lineage 2 on the rmt spamming via private store.


Using the Interface option to remove shops:
- Reduces your chance for sale.
- Reduces your chances for buy.
- Player wont be able to see what good you may have that they may need/want

This is self-explanatory, if you don't understand why we shouldn't need to remove the pet store via UI then your just simply a hopeless cause. Also if not getting exposure for people to view your sales is a strength then obviously you have some sort of hidden agenda maybe RMT trafficking? (I'm all for transperency, not cloak n' dagger)
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Gr0und3d on 03/22/2012, 03:17 PM - view
Lol and yet the 'majority' (according to a few posts) need them in game... I saw the polls, there were like a whole 20 people voting to keep pet shops in....

Also, 'Nobody' considers you a fan boy now.....


I haven't seen a single poll on this forum since the fan forums came down. Point me to this data.
Personally I still think people are bandwagoning using their own best guess as the reasons why to back EME's magical decision to remove them.

Alesiana you ignorant troll, pages after we addressed these huge problems you have with solutions you still rehash the same garbage like no one responded to you.
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digitrevx on 03/22/2012, 04:35 PM - view

I haven't seen a single poll on this forum since the fan forums came down. Point me to this data.
Personally I still think people are bandwagoning using their own best guess as the reasons why to back EME's magical decision to remove them.


Fan made polls that tried to demonstrate the 'majority' only to have the results fairly split....
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Well, you kind of have to expect the results to be split.

If you manage to add content to a game that 90% of all your customers like, it would be like winning the jackpot. Same with trying to find content to remove that only 10% would like to keep.

Most of everything is fine as it is, straight out of KTera.
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digitrevx on 03/22/2012, 04:35 PM - view
Gr0und3d on 03/22/2012, 03:17 PM
Lol and yet the 'majority' (according to a few posts) need them in game... I saw the polls, there were like a whole 20 people voting to keep pet shops in....

Also, 'Nobody' considers you a fan boy now.....


I haven't seen a single poll on this forum since the fan forums came down. Point me to this data.
Personally I still think people are bandwagoning using their own best guess as the reasons why to back EME's magical decision to remove them.

Alesiana you ignorant troll, pages after we addressed these huge problems you have with solutions you still rehash the same garbage like no one responded to you.


Lol Ignorant troll. I'm restating the same points over and over and over again. Petshop is flawed. The points I'm giving you cannot be argued or refuted because I've seen this same crap happen in Lineage 2. Only reason they haven't taken out the private stores is because NCsoft is slow n' doesn't give a crap about the community. You realize this right? go ask the many people on the AION forums n' Lineage 2 forums if NCsoft gives a crap they'll tell u the same crap I'm feeding you.

Hell I can just walk to [Dion/Giran/Gludio/Aden] right now (In game btw) and show you the same crap I'm telling you. scam shops, overpriced gear saying "cheap" RMT sites advertising lol
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Gr0und3d on 03/22/2012, 04:36 PM - view

Fan made polls that tried to demonstrate the 'majority' only to have the results fairly split....


Unfortunately that's not good enough and I bet the results and peoples opinions would shift if EME gave their reasons. Player stores have worked in other games. The fact I don't have to be there doesn't change a thing.
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Alesiana on 03/22/2012, 04:41 PM - view

Lol Ignorant troll. I'm restating the same points over and over and over again. Petshop is flawed. The points I'm giving you cannot be argued or refuted because I've seen this same crap happen in Lineage 2. Only reason they haven't taken out the private stores is because NCsoft is slow n' doesn't give a crap about the community. You realize this right? go ask the many people on the AION forums n' Lineage 2 forums if NCsoft gives a crap they'll tell u the same crap I'm feeding you.


I've played both games for years. I do not agree. I do not see the abuse you are over dramatizing. We gave you solutions to problems that you for some reason think are unfixable. Problems that a lot of us didn't even have. Yet here you are like a broken record spitting out the same crap like we didn't hear you the first time.

Putting your name in the hat over and over doesn't do anything but piss people off here. Understand that.
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digitrevx on 03/22/2012, 04:41 PM - view
Gr0und3d on 03/22/2012, 04:36 PM

Fan made polls that tried to demonstrate the 'majority' only to have the results fairly split....


Unfortunately that's not good enough and I bet the results and peoples opinions would shift if EME gave their reasons. Player stores have worked in other games. The fact I don't have to be there doesn't change a thing.


I was merely making fun of people posting about the majority, when they have no idea. And that others started polls to demonstrate their point, even though these polls had no validity.
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digitrevx on 03/22/2012, 04:44 PM - view
Alesiana on 03/22/2012, 04:41 PM

Lol Ignorant troll. I'm restating the same points over and over and over again. Petshop is flawed. The points I'm giving you cannot be argued or refuted because I've seen this same crap happen in Lineage 2. Only reason they haven't taken out the private stores is because NCsoft is slow n' doesn't give a crap about the community. You realize this right? go ask the many people on the AION forums n' Lineage 2 forums if NCsoft gives a crap they'll tell u the same crap I'm feeding you.


I've played both games for years. I do not agree. I do not see the abuse you are over dramatizing. We gave you solutions to problems that you for some reason think are unfixable. Problems that a lot of us didn't even have. Yet here you are like a broken record spitting out the game crap like we didn't hear you the first time.


Oh really you played since April 2004? cool story. then you'll know about the ancient adena scams remember those? remember back in Chronicle 1 how people scammed lol. Imo I don't think you've even played since 2004 you probably only started playing when it went free to play.

Feel free to attack me IDC lol. I just laugh @ how hopeless you are :)
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Gr0und3d on 03/22/2012, 04:46 PM - view


I was merely making fun of people posting about the majority, when they have no idea. And that others started polls to demonstrate their point, even though these polls had no validity.


Whats kinda funny and interesting, ok well not really is the same people are posting over and over. Every now and then a new opinion. Usually one that isn't backed by any real logic which promptly gets flamed. I don't really care what the masses want. My problem is pet stores could have been fixed to work. Every reason these "thread regulars" come up with there is a logical solution that does not include the words delete, remove, or axe.