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Fatwa on 03/28/2012, 08:28 AM
There have been many opportunities for EME to gather feedback on player shops since the release of KTERA. The timeline for feedback does not start with the Closed Beta phase for NATERA, it's been discussed many times in various locaitons well before this particular phase.
Attempting to judge the views of the population based solely on a very limited timeframe is not very responsible.
Frankly, your last comment seems to agree with my own opinion rather than support the rest of your post. I too believe that it isn't wise to judge the views of the population solely on a very limited timeframe. And one example of that would be the brief and relatively small number of players who participate in focus group testing. Another mistake would be placing too much weight on the feedback of a relatively small forum community in the years prior to launch, especially when it's being contradicted by the much larger community immediately preceding launch.
Frankly, if you want long term feedback on how well player shops and an auction system can coexist together, look at a game like FFXI, where both systems have been successfully complementing one another for nearly 9 years now.
The feedback given on this forum to save player shops has certainly been brief (which is a direct result of the recent nature of the announcement to remove them), however it at least appears to be validated by how well player shops coexist with other trade systems in other games. On the other hand, EME's repeated claim of removing player shops because they're not popular with a western audience seem to be coming out of left field and catching many long time MMO players by complete surprise.
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On the contrary, you framed your comment with a discussion of how the players against shops were the 'obvious minority' and incorrectly suggested that there wasn't much feedback about player shops on the forums prior to their removal, all while relying on a very small timeframe for your data.
Additionally, from those years as a part of the small pre-launch community, I know that the forum community and the tests they were involved in, aren't the only source of feedback EME has at their disposal.
We know that as with many other elements of TERA, EME has been able to observe the global reactions to various game elements in a variety of fashions since it first went public so long ago. Additionally, we know that they don't put too much stock in community-created polls to adequately gauge how the community feels about things.
While it's convenient to forget that the community existed prior to the relaunch of the forums, a great number of things were discussed during its time.
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Gold farmers will spam in many ways regardless the player shops. That's how you have the report system.
Why Not To Add Petshops explaining in 3x Easy Pictures:
Trade Broker VS Petshop Prices
vs.
RMT Spamming:
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Fatwa on 03/28/2012, 10:00 AM
On the contrary, you framed your comment with a discussion of how the players against shops were the 'obvious minority' and incorrectly suggested that there wasn't much feedback about player shops on the forums prior to their removal, all while relying on a very small timeframe for your data.
Why is it you always seem to struggle with comprehending what is written in a post? In the future, please don't attempt to summarize the posts of others without first really taking the time to understand what they've written, as jumping to the wrong conclusion seems to be a particularly bad habit for you. I've had to make this suggestion to you before in other threads, but once again I'll stress that it really helps if you actually read what someone wrote rather than complain about something that was not in a rush to criticize them.
Now, if you go back and read what I actually wrote, I clearly stated that *on the forums (and polls run from the forum) the number of players calling for the outright removal of player shops has been the obvious minority*. There is nothing misleading about that. I didn't write the terms "on the forums" and "polls run from the forums" just to up the word count in my post. Those terms were added to make it clear exactly where this minority opinion was located.
I also made it very clear that there were feedback sources that I had not been following, as well as those that I'm not privy to, but stated reasons why I had little confidence in them. I did not "incorrectly suggest" anything.
Fatwa on 03/28/2012, 10:00 AM
Additionally, from those years as a part of the small pre-launch community, I know that the forum community and the tests they were involved in, aren't the only source of feedback EME has at their disposal.
We know that as with many other elements of TERA, EME has been able to observe the global reactions to various game elements in a variety of fashions since it first went public so long ago. Additionally, we know that they don't put too much stock in community-created polls to adequately gauge how the community feels about things.
While it's convenient to forget that the community existed prior to the relaunch of the forums, a great number of things were discussed during its time.
You also seem to conveniently forget that others, like myself, were in that community prior to the relaunch of the forums. And when any discussions of player shops came up in those years, they were plagued with the same ignorant statements we're hearing today. "Clutter", "eyesores" - all meaningless once you understood there's an option in the UI to disable shop visibility. Along with that we had the same debatable "if I can't be bothered to use a tool, nobody should benefit from it" arguments. There were no magic statements made back then that aren't being made now. And the topic was never a hot one, just one that occasionally made the rotation of things a few dozen people were going to argue over on any given week because the game was still years away from launch and we had little to talk about.
Your comment about EME being able to observe the "global reactions" is ridiculous when they're using the western audiences reaction as an excuse to drop a feature . They never said "globally, gamers tend to dislike player shops". They specifically said they weren't popular with a western audience. And being part of that western audience, and having watched player shops receive a favorable reaction from other players in that same audience, let's just say that EME's take on the pulse of the western gamer is news to me.
Do some players not like player shops? Sure. You will never get everyone to agree on everything. We can easily find some players who don't like PvP. It doesn't mean PvP should be removed from the game. It doesn't mean PvP isn't popular with the "western audience".
Developer decisions are not infallible. If you need proof of that, just look at all the games that fail to be big hits. Behind every one of them you're likely to find numerous decisions by a developer that were a mistake. Nobody is perfect.
but if it was anything like the forums there wasn't really any feedback on player shops prior to EME publicly discussing their removal from the game.,
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Trntera on 03/28/2012, 02:31 PM@Alesiana you don't know how to take screen shot?
Off topic.