Quote: library on 04/21/2012, 08:07 AM - view

Your "majority" was only 24% of the players who bothered to participate in the polls. This wasn't about what the majority wanted, it was about what the developers wanted regardless of the opinions of the players.

I have a solution for all pet lovers. Play KTera, and wait for GW2.

Quote: Trntera on 04/21/2012, 03:22 PM - view

GW2 Necro is so unbelievably sekc I ruined 3 pairs of silk boxers playing it.

Quote: Thaid on 04/21/2012, 03:24 PM - view

I got kleenex for ya pal.

Either way - the relase is nearing, the time is running out, and EnM still doesn't even seem to be considering 1 server with less castration (even if only limited to availability of npc-only mischief boxes and pet shops).

A terse summary of the pro-shops PoV - from this and many other threads.

::functional castration:

there's no replacement for their features in sight:
- BUYING, which also implies:
- -

very negative influence over crafting, removal of wonders a well placed buy shop can do
- - limitation of WTB spam
- - no quick sell possible anymore - from shop's customer PoV
- locality
- independence from vanarch
- tax avoidance
- no buy/sell quantity constraints

side effects of removing them:
- what about vanarch's AH options ?
- what about vanarch's election/baiting tool ?

other:
- wasted trading areas in Velika


::other things:

the areas they can be placed in are few and far between - the only thing needing eventual adjustment here are near-npc areas

shop themselves are very constrained

(only 1 shop allowed per server, shared by all characters similarly to the bank)

market split is just a fud - AH by its very nature is central, shops complement it; both bring their respective advantages to the game and complement each other - with shops automatically becoming supplementary feature

In context of RMT - their job is far simpler with shops removed, having single interface to play with everything

RMT adverts ? It's EnMasse's job to clean them, game's castration is not a solution

(or rather pseudosolution). Chat and direct messages gonna be removed as well ?


::few commonly repeated technical "reasons" (also keep in mind everything works just fine on more densely populated KR servers with much more affinity toward using pets):

graphical lag is of no issue - UI on/off knob makes them invisible for anyone that doesn't want to see them and/or doesn't want to use them; upcoming Nexuses and certain areas in game cause

far more fps problems than any amount of 3 simple shop models ever could; this is pretty rare "kill 2 birds with one stone" thing completely ignored. And sadly - looking at "new game features" - deliberately lied about by EnMasse now feeding on players' lack of knowledge about aforementioned UI knob

server lag is another fud preying on common misconceptions - a crowd of people constantly clicking on AH's search would cause thermal meltdown,

IF shops (1s*10a/account/server) could cause any lag in the first place; just think how an auction (50a*#characters/account/server) and shop's goods look on the server side and how little difference between them

network lag - similarly - the shop positions are sent once, contents only when you click on a particular shop; compare it to a crowd of dozens of players

(causing fps lag ! horrors ...) that click on AH's 'search' (especially after allowing over 6 times more auctions now, per character)

I personally would prefer a buying feature on the trade broker unless a zone-wide pet vendor search is going to be implemented alongside the existing trade broker feature... it really seems redundant to have two vendor systems running at the same time though... it really should be one or the other unless somebody is selling items directly out of themselves.


Maybe pets used for buying only, which interact with the trade broker system somehow, buying up orders that are within their parameters?

dunno... just seems a shame to get rid of the pet system entirely when it could be reworked somehow for a stronger economic system.

^ you can add in, "first time first serve" idea in that market area where they should have max amount of X shops to be open but with limited times lets say 4hours then the shop closes or removed from that area then next person can come in and open a shop or after the sell all their stuff.

This will cause feud between people and guild war can happens, then the vanarch comes into play.

pet shop should be able to be open at any other town/camps with this limited numbers as well.
Not just town/camps should be anywhere thats on land, the shop pet get kill by mobs if the mob is aggro if not then its fine.

BlueHoles limits the pet shop area thats why we're getting this problem with lags or cluttered up the town and doesnt put limit to it. This idea prevent Gold Seller's shop as well because they're not going to wait there 24/7 and if they did we know whos the gold seller and report GM can get rid of him within those waiting period.

TL:DR all the post, If its been said then ill be a +1 to it.

Phantasy star universe did have itself a very good shop system player to player. id like somethin like that instead of pet shops. if not at least a search option for item in pet shops as well. i hated em for the shear amount of wasted time needed to check em all.

^ you can search around while waiting for LFD which is always a plus and doesnt bored people or they go into auction, more option more better and not stuck into one thing.
But with Auction house itself, botters can work even better, please read my upper post.

But your search function idea is great as well but were here to also counter gold sellers shop. as well and the clutting up that most people dont want or can be turn off in option.

En Masse should do something about this pet shop, or else its going to be like Blood removal from FrogsterEU tera version.
Its already at 779 posts. half way to the blood removal posts.

Has anyone even mentioned yet, about the poor egg/pet shop now being an ugly no npc area?

Who suppose to teach me about merging eggs together, and why in the world do we still have a Pet cataglory in the AH???

The whole process of "removing pets" has been done half [filtered].... give us back features we are paying for.