Races, the Crit % vs.... what.. sick of castanics but no choice.

Cleevage Profile Options #1

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For maximizing dmg, u have no choice but to make castanic , crit from behind is to much of a deal in this game to pass. Porblem is.. im sick of being these stupid horny scrawny flailing running nancies.

Normalize racials.. so atleast we have a choice as a dps.

HiFi Profile Options #2

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It's a 1% increase in crit rate which is fairly negligible. If you don't want to play a castanic you're not losing out on much DPS at all.
Edited by: HiFi 12 months ago - Reason: my keyboard sucks >_<
Tiresias Profile Options #3

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Ugh... really? Min-maxers ruin games.

No, you don't need that 1% crit. It's basically ignorable once you start getting decent gear. Play whatever race you would like to.
Teoh Profile Options #4

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Differences in the range, movement and collision boxes of attack animations are more significant than the minor official racials.


Unless you were about to roll sorc.
Lifelike Profile Options #5

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Popori have it the worst out of everyone. They are basically just inferior elin. They don't even gain a hitbox and animation advantage and they still retain the same racials (useless). Why make a popori over an elin if you're serious about PVP? They really need at least one defining positive trait to separate them from elin, because right now they are just Elin with wider hitboxes and less advantageous animations.

And no, min-maxers don't ruin games. Min-maxers cultivate solid, complex, competitive games. It's casual gamers who ruin games. (and unfortunately, in this day and age, buy them)

Normalizing is a bad idea though. There must be some class diversity, but these racials should be balanced so that every class has some merit that justifies picking it over an other for more than just looks.
Edited by: Lifelike 12 months ago
draakdorei Profile Options #6

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Lifelike on 06/22/2012, 12:08 AM - view

And no, min-maxers don't ruin games. Min-maxers cultivate solid, complex, competitive games.


Please provide solid proof. Otherwise, this statement is false.

Lifelike on 06/22/2012, 12:08 AM - view

Normalizing is a bad idea though. There must be some class diversity, but these racials should be balanced so that every class has some merit that justifies picking it over an other for more than just looks.


Hitboxes, animations and racial-based attack ranges already define melee PvP choices. 1% Crit Rate doesn't help: Lancers, Priests, Mystics and soon, Warriors (tank build) and possibly Berserkers...as if I recall, their crit rate is crap without being aided by gear

Also for the min-maxers...your thread is over here:
http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/STATS-endurance-impact-modifier-etc?page=1



Signed, a player that chooses races based solely on animations and looks
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draakdorei on 06/22/2012, 02:31 AM - view
Please provide solid proof. Otherwise, this statement is false.


http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
Lifelike Profile Options #8

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Can you provide 'solid proof' my statement is false?

You just have to look at most games that have released in the past few years to realise that they simply aren't making them the way they used to. The casual gaming trend has reduced most games on the market to spoon-feeding consumer oriented slop. I need not point past recent 'hardcore' IP's degraded by this marketing scheme such as Diablo 3, a game that left many old school players with a sour taste in their mouths. Smash Bros Brawl, a watered down and competitively weak shadow of what Melee once was. Marvel vs Capcom 3 - dumbed down with comeback mechanics to appeal to non-competitive gamers. And don't even get me started on SF vs Tekken.

Games targetted towards min-maxers though, in recent years have brought us the amazing yet rare gems such as Dark Souls, a deep and rewarding singleplayer RPG lauded for it's hard-yet-fair slogan, Borderlands - a game that kept me well occupied for years simply because of it's amazing loot generation, and on the more general-rated scale of things, Pokemon B/w, which contains NO END of potential min-maxing while still managing to be consumer friendly and accessible to a broad crowd without resorting to casual gimmicks.

I do not want Tera to be come a westernised primordial sludge just because of the current awful gaming market trends. It has a lot of room to be a deep and involving MMO that could run so well with the concept of rewarding dedication with power. There is a reason Dio Brando is one of the most badass villains of all time - because time powers are overpowered because time -is- power. In MMOs, the time you spend pursuing a goal, learning, dedicating and perfecting is what should give you rewards. Not your entitlement to 'skill' because you have a job and a so-called life outside the game and therefore can't afford to put your time into it. Min-maxers are the ones who dive into a product, rip it to pieces and enjoy and learn and appreciate every little loving detail the developers put into their baby. That is truly getting everything you can out of a product and truly playing the game for everything it's worth by understanding it's mechanics and tricks in search of that elusive perfection.

For the shallow gamer, it seems like a waste of time and sapping the 'fun' out of something that's 'just a game'. Because for some reason a lot of people believe that having fun involves remaining ignorant about as much as possible, and avoiding any kind of dedication.

/minirant
Edited by: Lifelike 12 months ago
SGValkyrie Profile Options #9

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I'm in love with you, Lifelike.
Ippiki Profile Options #10

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No, really min maxxers ruin games, because you cannot see the forest for the trees. I've made this argument before, but if two sorcerors can both kill a mob with 4 attacks, does it really matter that one had that extra teeny tiny bit of damage? In most situations that teeny tiny bit of damage makes absolutely zero difference. You are talking the difference between a regular hardcore player, and a min maxxer. A regular hardcore picks their character based on what they've like, runs the game for 5 hours plus a day, and enchants things, but ignores the tiny bit of damage extra they get for being a Catanic. A min maxxer always rolls Castanic then makes 50 posts on the forums whining about how they dislike the look of them.

If you want to talk real min maxing dps mechanics over time, and that 1% extra damage that a min maxxer does which actually equates to .1% in reality because in most situations that extra 1% makes no difference to the amount of attacks mobs take to die, let's look at it this way. I have a job. Most min maxxers do not. Thusly, I am at a massive disadvantage for DoT because half the day I'm not playing.

Should I quit my job?

There was a notorious min maxxer on the last game I played. A transsexual, so I'm going to say she, though the whole community referred to the player as "he". Now, I didn't like this person and railed at them citing my argument of how many attacks mobs yield to often, while having raging tantrum sessions on the forums with the min maxxer. I myself got hooked too much on mechanics and my case for why tiny extra damage usually does not make any difference.

She played a sorceror type because the community had realized that a female elf sorc did the highest dps in the game. All day long, railing at imbalance, she played the class most maligned for its imbalance, because dps was of course he most important thing.

So the inevitable happens, the game gets a heavy update, sorcs get nerfed and now the best character to play is a male beast berserker.

She rolls a female beast berserker, because you can't possibly play as a MAN, then spends forever arguing with people that a 3% loss in attack power prior to equipping weapons made no difference.

Hypocrisy much?

I looked up my old enemy recently to see if I could expect the same arguments on the sequel to the game, and find they are gone. The community has had correspondence from a fellow trans player, that she died from a heart attack. How true that is I don't know.

But remember, life is too short, you waste it on spurious details, and just because somebody who spends all their time on the game is not a min maxxer, that does not make them casual. Things are not that black and white.