Remove the damage/defense multiplier w/level difference

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iTT: Idiots are SURPRISED when players higher level than another have an advantage.

Its like you people have never done anything besides collect hats in TF2. It takes 2 weeks to get to 60. Quit complaining and go level. This is the case with every level based MMO ever.

Grind to 60. @ 60 pvp begins.

It would be a complete waste of time to even attempt to balance low level characters. You dont have all your skills, gear scaling, etc. The only reason there is even a grind to 60 is to teach you how to use your skills so you are ready to actually play at 60. 1-60 is like a tutorial. Think of it that way.

Morons.
Edited by: Tazusa about 1 year ago
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i think there's some reading comprehension fail going on here
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I'm not going to read this entire thread, has anyone actually managed to prove what the OP says is correct? Or is this all just speculation.
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Tazusa on 04/29/2012, 01:59 PM - view
iTT: Idiots are SURPRISED when players higher level than another have an advantage.

Its like you people have never done anything besides collect hats in TF2. It takes 2 weeks to get to 60. Quit complaining and go level. This is the case with every level based MMO ever.

Grind to 60. @ 60 pvp begins.

It would be a complete waste of time to even attempt to balance low level characters. You dont have all your skills, gear scaling, etc. The only reason there is even a grind to 60 is to teach you how to use your skills so you are ready to actually play at 60. 1-60 is like a tutorial. Think of it that way.

Morons.


Pretty much. I think every mmo that ive played now the devs have given up balancing pvp at low lvls.
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Wow, did people even read the OP? It's a real problem, and a huge problem, especially in PvP. No other game has this problem. No other MMO artificially scales strength based on level. Does that mean level 20s in WoW are out ganking level 30s? No, but it means they can do damage and not get one-shot.

This should be fixed. It kinda ruins OWPvP while leveling.
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You only do damage based on gear, it has zero to do with levels.
A level 1 can do 20k dmg to a lvl 38 without his chest piece on.
Do some damn research before you make a topic like this please.
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Mangix on 04/29/2012, 07:35 PM - view
You only do damage based on gear, it has zero to do with levels.
A level 1 can do 20k dmg to a lvl 38 without his chest piece on.
Do some damn research before you make a topic like this please.


give this man a medal. Stuff is based on your stats + base stats. Gear effects your base stats (base stats are where the ridiculous multipliers come from.) Level plays no part in the formula.
Edited by: Tazusa about 1 year ago
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AinsleyHarriott on 04/17/2012, 06:11 AM - view
ITT: People who have no clue what they are talking about

The so called "level differences" aren't because of levels themselves, but rather how gear scales in this game. Gear scales incredibly quickly at lower levels, and the difference between each tier is significant. Messing with the scaling like this could potentially result in the trivialization of content your level so content at higher levels is more "fair," which is absolutely silly.

This change isn't going to happen. Never going to happen. The results it would have on the overall leveling curve would be devastating.


Infinite levels of wrongness. If a level 30 takes off all his gear, I will hit a level 25 with all his gear on WAY harder. WAY WAY WAY harder. Like, 3x-5x harder. A sorc that was a few levels higher than me mitigated my damage by more than half when compared to things my level. I guess that sorc's armor on gear just shot through the roof...
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Tazusa on 04/29/2012, 07:39 PM - view
Mangix on 04/29/2012, 07:35 PM
You only do damage based on gear, it has zero to do with levels.
A level 1 can do 20k dmg to a lvl 38 without his chest piece on.
Do some damn research before you make a topic like this please.


give this man a medal. Stuff is based on your stats + base stats. Gear effects your base stats (base stats are where the ridiculous multipliers come from.) Level plays no part in the formula.


It took me all of 30 seconds to figure out.
I said hey level 3 slayer duel me for lulz, I'll take off my armor.
It started. He swung on me for 20k white damage.
I also noticed this before hand via taking off armor making it so I took 3k or so per hit while leveling on the island of dawn for HARD MODE.

Lojo on 04/29/2012, 07:41 PM
Infinite levels of wrongness. If a level 30 takes off all his gear, I will hit a level 25 with all his gear on WAY harder. WAY WAY WAY harder. Like, 3x-5x harder. A sorc that was a few levels higher than me mitigated my damage by more than half when compared to things my level. I guess that sorc's armor on gear just shot through the roof...


Spell resistance isn't entirely gear based.
A level 10 caster should be able to hit a level 38 gearless for about 4-5k per hit though.
Where as a level 10 melee would hit for 25-30k.
Infinite lack of research. etc.
Edited by: Mangix about 1 year ago
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Lojo on 04/29/2012, 07:41 PM - view
AinsleyHarriott on 04/17/2012, 06:11 AM
ITT: People who have no clue what they are talking about

The so called "level differences" aren't because of levels themselves, but rather how gear scales in this game. Gear scales incredibly quickly at lower levels, and the difference between each tier is significant. Messing with the scaling like this could potentially result in the trivialization of content your level so content at higher levels is more "fair," which is absolutely silly.

This change isn't going to happen. Never going to happen. The results it would have on the overall leveling curve would be devastating.


Infinite levels of wrongness. If a level 30 takes off all his gear, I will hit a level 25 with all his gear on WAY harder. WAY WAY WAY harder. Like, 3x-5x harder. A sorc that was a few levels higher than me mitigated my damage by more than half when compared to things my level. I guess that sorc's armor on gear just shot through the roof...


look at the difference in stats of armor between level 22 blues and level 27 blues. the level 27 blues are definitely over twice as effective.