Something so simple as letting warrior queue for tank, why does it take so long to get out?

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Folia on 05/26/2012, 09:43 PM - view
knoxxer on 05/26/2012, 09:22 PM
Warriors were designed to be tanks but the skill required is a bit much, especially for a PUG.

We hope to have a solution and allow warriors to join the tank queue by end of summer.



Excuse me? The skill required is a 'bit much', when TERA was touted by your marketing department as being a great new MMO unlike all the others out there for this very reason?

I've tanked all 60 instances as Warrior (both main tank and off-tank when a Lancer ragequits), and the only thing stopping me from doing it in certain instances is the broken flagging that occurs during certain boss fights. (Particularly those during Balder's temple that flag Lancers so that they cannot be targeted by minions or enviromental changes). Otherwise, it takes skill, yes, but if you seriously think it takes too much skill to do anything in this game then you need to L2P.

FFS, when idiots like Knoxxer aren't even confident in the ability of others to surpass their own lack of ability, then those of us who actually know how to play suffer in 2 hour queues waiting for some dip[filtered] Lancer who doesn't even know what he's doing. FFS with this [filtered].


Yeah, sure you've tanked all level 60 instances. Prove it. Wouldn't matter even if you could. There are probably many classes with skilled enough players to do it or solo some dungeons, doesn't mean they should. And it certainly doesn't mean the rest of the players in a group would want, or should have, to suffer through the many failed attempts or even the successes if it meant they were constantly aware they were a lag spike away from a wipe the whole time.

And Knoxxer's the "idiot?" lol "It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." I know it's too late for you in this thread, but just, for future reference. ;)
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Warriors can tank the current normal dungeons just fine, the problem is it take a lot of skill and trust from both the warrior and the healer. Keeps the dps much more on their toes due to boss being on a bit of a lazy susan. But then there is another factor in some fights, and that is a large amount of luck.

However I can't comment on HM content as I just started queuing for that today. (ilvl 146)


Warrior tanking is fine for a set group, people who are used to working together, know each others flaws and tendencies. But you don't really get that in LFG PUGs. Sure some warriors will do just fine, but I fear the ratio might be something like 1:8 or even 1:10. Warrior tanking is very unforgiving in its current state. And that is why it isn't setup in the LFG tool. Trust me, if it was there would be just as many threads about horrible warrior tanks as there are entitled lancers/queue time ones combined.

Some people like the challenge, I know I personally do. But it really isn't for everyone.

Forgive me, I'm not really good at intelligent posts as I tend to just ramble.
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knoxxer on 05/26/2012, 09:22 PM - view
Warriors were designed to be tanks but the skill required is a bit much, especially for a PUG.

We hope to have a solution and allow warriors to join the tank queue by end of summer.



HAHAHA !!!!! The end of summer !!! That is a joke. Then you should have just release the game with the fixes that you are going to be putting in at the End of Summer patch. Seeing that now the nexus system and probably other fixes are going to be in this as well. I highly doubt that anything is going to come at the end of summer. The nexus went from the end of the month to when a plan is final. The fixes for this game are not coming any time soon and by the time you do. Players will already be playing GW2, or some other game that you don't have to pay per month to play. I'm pretty sure players don't enjoy paying to play betas of games that should have already should have been done or much of it done, seeing that the game have been out for a bit over a year already :/ EME is just becoming an other NCSoft, saying that things and changes are coming, not saying or up dating the players on what any of those are. Not having a PTS to let players give feed back on changes and test content, and continually pushing back updates. EME is by far is not living up to that they where going to be different and have the best westernization. If anything just converting the content from KTera would be better then what they are doing now.

Now to the actually topic on this thread. Warriors should be able to que up as tanks the problem is that with the DPS checks at the lvl 60 dungeons, and the caster mobs using lock on skills. Warriors have very limited evasion, and it takes a very skilled player to Tank the high lvl dungeons as a Warrior. Tho it can be done with the systems that are in the game now, but it is more frustrating for a party as a whole. These DPS checks also have no place in a game like Tera, do to its to be an action game not a DPS, spam a rotation to get the best DPS as possible and every other player having to do the same thing just to get through. Its to be about the skill of a player not the rotation and the gear that someone has. But this is where EmE and BlueHole thinks that they have to be like every other MMO and that is just not the case. There is a very lacking fun factor at lvl 60 in Tera. From the players treating others horrible, everything being so dependent on gear and group make up, and the lack of options for players to progress their chars at lvl 60.

The thing is that if EME would remove the DPS Checks for the bosses (being that if you dont kill the boss in a set amount of time, the party wipes) in the lvl 60 dungeons and make the gear not mean so much as it does now. Lancers would probably not be jerks and kick others for the lack of gear, and just maybe the community for Tera would get better.
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knoxxer on 05/26/2012, 09:22 PM - view
Warriors were designed to be tanks but the skill required is a bit much, especially for a PUG.

We hope to have a solution and allow warriors to join the tank queue by end of summer.



Have Warriors, Lancers and Berserkers share same armor and be able to queue as Tank.
Only one tank per Dungeon, any of those three " Warriors, Lancers or Berserkers ".
Berserkers need more blocking just as Lancer has.
Lancer need more DPS.
Warrior need better armor.
And all should have heal skill same as lancer has plus 50% more HP.
And one more thing, all tanks should draw more aggro.
Edited by: wastelanderer about 1 year ago
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Slubber on 05/26/2012, 09:38 AM - view
You don't need warriors to be able to queue as tanks, they just need to stop being lazy and type this:


"/a Warrior tank LFG for _____ instance" ...you'd be surprised how many people will jump on it to get out of the queue.



I am doing this on my warrior alt. Sometimes it goes really fast and I'm in within moments, other times it can take 30 minutes because there's just nobody watching /a around my level at that particular time of day/night.

I have a Lancer as my main, so by the time I get to the various dungeons on my Warrior I'm already familiar with the boss mechanics and such. I'm only level 31 on the warrior, but fully glyphed and crystaled (as much as I can be anyway) for aggro building.

I'm refusing to run anything as DPS, that way by the time I reach the 50s dungeons I'm still able to successfully tank them. I'd really like to be a viable warrior tank at level cap.
Edited by: vsTerminus about 1 year ago
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Folia on 05/26/2012, 09:43 PM - view
knoxxer on 05/26/2012, 09:22 PM
Warriors were designed to be tanks but the skill required is a bit much, especially for a PUG.

We hope to have a solution and allow warriors to join the tank queue by end of summer.



Excuse me? The skill required is a 'bit much', when TERA was touted by your marketing department as being a great new MMO unlike all the others out there for this very reason?

I've tanked all 60 instances as Warrior (both main tank and off-tank when a Lancer ragequits), and the only thing stopping me from doing it in certain instances is the broken flagging that occurs during certain boss fights. (Particularly those during Balder's temple that flag Lancers so that they cannot be targeted by minions or enviromental changes). Otherwise, it takes skill, yes, but if you seriously think it takes too much skill to do anything in this game then you need to L2P.

FFS, when idiots like Knoxxer aren't even confident in the ability of others to surpass their own lack of ability, then those of us who actually know how to play suffer in 2 hour queues waiting for some dip[filtered] Lancer who doesn't even know what he's doing. FFS with this [filtered].


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Kristyana Lvl.40
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I rolled a warrior specifically to tank because it was complicated.

I have not tanked any high end content but I make sure to run each dungeon several times both as a tank and as a DPS so I can learn the class better. I enjoy the fact that you have to be a skilled player to run as a warrior tank.

The sad thing is, it requires more skill from the group to run with a warrior tank, and not everyone will want to put in the effort beyond becoming adequate in their class.
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If I can't find a lancer to tank within 5 minutes I start messaging all warriors looking for a group for whatever instance I'm doing:

1/5 warriors I meet are geared/spec'd/skilled for tanking.

4/5 say "I'm not tank I'm DPS"

Until warriors decide what they are for sure, I'm glad they haven't released this yet. They need some type of flag system for warriors to say whether or not they're "tanks" or "dps", then queue them properly.

This is easy to type but as a software developer, it's not that easy to implement and it'll be hard to control since you'll have impatient warriors who are DPS simply flagging to "tank" to insta-queue then popping in to say "Sry I's dee-pee-ess"

Honestly a better fix would be to gimp their damage and make every warrior have to learn/be a tank, not this hybrid they've become.
Edited by: gloombot about 1 year ago
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sorry to make this comparison but warrior tanking LFD is pretty much like WoWs new dks tanking tbc dungeon. theres good ones in the bunch but most of the time u will get crap who will try to dps while tanking which causes wiping of the group.