Stop punishing us for grouping with people on our server please.

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If you are like me and everyone else in my guild, you want to run as many instances as possible in the play time available to us. Especially for Temple of Temerity, since you have to literally do it hundreds of time just to get all the adv glyphs you want, you have to use instance match. We've resorted to setting our party up with 4 people and instance matching so that we can get the shorter cool down.

What is the reason behind the longer cool down for having a 5 man party from your own server do an instance? I absolutely do not understand why we're being punished with a longer cool down for not using instance match. I know it's a choice, but it's not a very good choice when we only have about 3 hours to play.

Can an Enmasse rep please explain this?
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Pretty obvious that it's there to encourage people to use the instance matching tool.
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Kunae on 06/04/2012, 02:11 PM - view
Pretty obvious that it's there to encourage people to use the instance matching tool.


So basically, they want to encourage us to use a bad system and discourage us from playing with people on our server. Got it.
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Its to try and cut down on static runs i do think...... NcSoft done something like this on some of there instance's where if you use the grping finder tool for that instance when your grp enters yall get a buff that last the whole instance. Now if you didnt use the auto grp tool then no buff
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Tenkuro on 06/04/2012, 02:11 PM - view
What is the reason behind the longer cool down for having a 5 man party from your own server do an instance? I absolutely do not understand why we're being punished with a longer cool down for not using instance match. I know it's a choice, but it's not a very good choice when we only have about 3 hours to play.

As has been said before, the cooldown when you use your own group is not longer. The cooldown has been shortened for LFD. There's a difference. You are not being punished for using your own groups, the people that are using LFD are being rewarded. Or, in a way, compensated for all the headaches and wasted time that using the LFD tool brings that are not present when using your own group.

If you'd like, they could always set the cooldown time when using LFD back to normal so it's as long as when you use your own group. Would that be acceptable?
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HiFi on 06/04/2012, 02:22 PM - view
Tenkuro on 06/04/2012, 02:11 PM
What is the reason behind the longer cool down for having a 5 man party from your own server do an instance? I absolutely do not understand why we're being punished with a longer cool down for not using instance match. I know it's a choice, but it's not a very good choice when we only have about 3 hours to play.

As has been said before, the cooldown when you use your own group is not longer. The cooldown has been shortened for LFD. There's a difference. You are not being punished for using your own groups, the people that are using LFD are being rewarded. Or, in a way, compensated for all the headaches and wasted time that using the LFD tool brings that are not present when using your own group.

If you'd like, they could always set the cooldown time when using LFD back to normal so it's as long as when you use your own group. Would that be acceptable?


To be honest it's only an issue that should be addressed for pre-60 dungeon queues in my opinion. If you are with a static group at 60 you can run Fang of Kaprima, Baldur's Temple, and then Ebon Tower Hard Mode and by the time you finish all 3 surely you can run another one again. All 3 of these instances drop tier 12 enigmatic weapons and armor so that's why I suggested it.
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Drexxin on 06/04/2012, 02:32 PM - view
To be honest it's only an issue that should be addressed for pre-60 dungeon queues in my opinion. If you are with a static group at 60 you can run Fang of Kaprima, Baldur's Temple, and then Ebon Tower Hard Mode and by the time you finish all 3 surely you can run another one again. All 3 of these instances drop tier 12 enigmatic weapons and armor so that's why I suggested it.


Just Fane and BT alone work out pretty well depended on the group. I did 6 in a row one day just bouncing between the two. Timing lined up perfectly. Had we been geared at all I could imagine needing to toss ET in there as well.
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HiFi on 06/04/2012, 02:22 PM - view
Tenkuro on 06/04/2012, 02:11 PM
What is the reason behind the longer cool down for having a 5 man party from your own server do an instance? I absolutely do not understand why we're being punished with a longer cool down for not using instance match. I know it's a choice, but it's not a very good choice when we only have about 3 hours to play.

As has been said before, the cooldown when you use your own group is not longer. The cooldown has been shortened for LFD. There's a difference. You are not being punished for using your own groups, the people that are using LFD are being rewarded. Or, in a way, compensated for all the headaches and wasted time that using the LFD tool brings that are not present when using your own group.

If you'd like, they could always set the cooldown time when using LFD back to normal so it's as long as when you use your own group. Would that be acceptable?


It doesn't matter if the cd on the LFD was shortened or if making our own group was lengthened. The fact is, for our group, who all have full time jobs and can only play about 2-3 hours a night, we have to make a 4 man group and leave 1 person out and use LFD because we want to get more than 1 run in.

Why can't both options have shortened CD but the same CD so that we don't feel like we're being forced to use one over the other in order to maximize our time?

Some of you people are nuts. You have a co-worker that doesn't work well with others and has his supervisor putting his team together for him because he's too lazy to do so himself. You on the other hand put the extra effort to build a relationship with your co-workers and takes the initiative to build a strong team. However, your supervisor feels sorry for the lazy guy, so he/she rewards him by giving him more time than anybody else to complete projects. You get a pat on the back for not being an idiot. You would be perfectly fine with that because you're a sucker.

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Mangix on 06/04/2012, 02:35 PM - view
Drexxin on 06/04/2012, 02:32 PM
To be honest it's only an issue that should be addressed for pre-60 dungeon queues in my opinion. If you are with a static group at 60 you can run Fang of Kaprima, Baldur's Temple, and then Ebon Tower Hard Mode and by the time you finish all 3 surely you can run another one again. All 3 of these instances drop tier 12 enigmatic weapons and armor so that's why I suggested it.


Just Fane and BT alone work out pretty well depended on the group. I did 6 in a row one day just bouncing between the two. Timing lined up perfectly. Had we been geared at all I could imagine needing to toss ET in there as well.


We do fane in under 20 minutes and bt in under 25 minutes, so no, it doesn't work unless we do the instance matching with 4 people. Also, we don't do fane anymore because there's nothing we need from there. We just need BT to get everyone their weapons.
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Tenkuro on 06/04/2012, 02:41 PM - view
It doesn't matter if the cd on the LFD was shortened or if making our own group was lengthened. The fact is, for our group, who all have full time jobs and can only play about 2-3 hours a night, we have to make a 4 man group and leave 1 person out and use LFD because we want to get more than 1 run in.

Why can't both options have shortened CD but the same CD so that we don't feel like we're being forced to use one over the other in order to maximize our time?

Some of you people are nuts. You have a co-worker that doesn't work well with others and has his supervisor putting his team together for him because he's too lazy to do so himself. You on the other hand put the extra effort to build a relationship with your co-workers and takes the initiative to build a strong team. However, your supervisor feels sorry for the lazy guy, so he/she rewards him by giving him more time than anybody else to complete projects. You get a pat on the back for not being an idiot. You would be perfectly fine with that because you're a sucker.

So you found a loophole in the system that allows you to do consecutive runs faster than using either of the methods as they were intended to be used. What are you complaining about?