Tera will have BGs, and DPS meters

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Carnival on 04/27/2012, 05:50 AM - view
WoW-Elitest Raiders
Because WoW-Raids had it must mean everything
Because Raids mean everything
Because Tera has Raids?
Because 5-Man Parties = Raids?
Because WoW-Baby Boomers want everything like WoW.
They should just go back to WoW.


ACT Parser has been around since EQ.

Not everything is about WoW, stop using WoW as some scape goat for not improving the game.

DPS meters are a great tool, even in difficult five mans.

I'm sorry you were touched in a bad way by a harsh raid leader in WoW. But as you said, this isn't WoW, and DPS meters have been in practically every MMO to date.
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Frostshock on 04/27/2012, 04:35 AM - view
Mash on 04/27/2012, 04:33 AM
Frostshock on 04/27/2012, 04:26 AM
circonstential.


That's not a word.



I'm fairly sure my english is better than your french.

STFU moron


You can't spell, and you're calling me a moron.

Thanks. Next time I won't waste my time, and I'll skip right to the part where I start being condescending.
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lol in here

i still cant believe there are people raging against dps meters, with no argument other than they dont want to get kicked from the group for not performing up to par

so here i will give a more factual example than my previous one

baldurs temple final boss
at 30% on normal and 35% on hardmode, the boss enrages and you have a timer to kill it, the room starts getting darker, and when it gets pitch black you all wipe
if all your dps arent performing up to par, you wipe. its a long fight, and without a dps meter, you would have no idea who is slacking. in ktera they use dps meters to see, everyone whispers the healer with their numbers (so nobody knows what the average is from seeing the first posted number) and if one is obviously much lower than the rest, thats the slacker. this is all assuming everyone is in the same gear, which for that endgame dungeon, usually everyone is.

so its obvious why some bad players are scared of dps meters, but it doesnt change the fact that they will be here, and useful. and if you tell your group you just refuse to download it, they will probably just boot you to save them a waste of time finding a replacement later

Edited by: Lowbei about 1 year ago
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GreenEyedMonster on 04/27/2012, 05:51 AM - view


Even chill people will get annoyed and kick someone when you aren't doing well enough for the boss to die before he wipes you. As long as the boss dies, people usually don't care. It's when you are doing poorly enough that you aren't beating the boss.


True---perhaps its just a lack of experience on my part, for I've only been on 1 MMO long enough for end-game content and it wasn't WoW (only made it to 49 there) -- and it... at least so far (level Cap of 50) does not have any "Kill me in ____ seconds/minutes or I instantly kill you!" bosses.

Either way, I'll never understand elitists who have to have everything "just so" or it sucks/fails. Oh well. *shrug*
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GreenEyedMonster on 04/27/2012, 05:52 AM - view
Carnival on 04/27/2012, 05:50 AM
WoW-Elitest Raiders
Because WoW-Raids had it must mean everything
Because Raids mean everything
Because Tera has Raids?
Because 5-Man Parties = Raids?
Because WoW-Baby Boomers want everything like WoW.
They should just go back to WoW.


ACT Parser has been around since EQ.

Not everything is about WoW, stop using WoW as some scape goat for not improving the game.

DPS meters are a great tool, even in difficult five mans.

I'm sorry you were touched in a bad way by a harsh raid leader in WoW. But as you said, this isn't WoW, and DPS meters have been in practically every MMO to date.


KTera is class restrictive as it use due to some classes shining over others in end game content, now you whine for meters, which will seclude more people. PvE Elitests are the worst kind, they can only boast about killing AI.


Btw again Tab Target PvE Content vs Action Content. Thick skull go.
Edited by: Carnival about 1 year ago
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GreenEyedMonster on 04/27/2012, 05:35 AM - view
No you can't.

And do you really want to watch and see how five other players are doing mid fight while dodging and focusing on the boss yourself.

You can't. This is why DPS meters exist.

By elitism you mean someone kicked you because you weren't doing well enough to down the boss who just wiped you.

There are going to be jerks regardless of meters.


You do have sort of a point but still my point remains you can still pretty much know if a person is pulling their weight with or without a dps meter. You just need the experience. People do it in KTera all the time. Heck i can even tell in my groups when playing on NA, it's not hard.

Elitism meaning if you don't do 1.0 dps you be kicked but 0.6dps is just as fine. Heck yeah I'm a person who likes min/maxing but there is a point it isn't needed.

And you can easily see dps by first few mobs or first boss. So kick em then before your serious with the group, i see it all the time on Ktera. Doesn't mean we can't do the same.

Lowbei on 04/27/2012, 05:56 AM
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@Lowbei well you can tell how good your dps is with your group by the first boss in temple, you don't cut it on that boss you need to change something up before you commit to the dungeon. Watch your team and you know who's slacking. If you see everyone performing great you know it's a gear problem check peoples gear/gear score. It's not hard Koreans been doing fine.
Edited by: NijjijjioN about 1 year ago
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i dont get your tab target vs action content reference... you are comparing the damage of players in your group, it doesnt matter the type of game

and all this talk of elitism is hilarious. its not being elitist to boot someone from your group who is causing the group to fail. the only person who would call that group elitist is the baddie who got booted
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Lowbei on 04/27/2012, 06:17 AM - view
i dont get your tab target vs action content reference... you are comparing the damage of players in your group, it doesnt matter the type of game

and all this talk of elitism is hilarious. its not being elitist to boot someone from your group who is causing the group to fail. the only person who would call that group elitist is the baddie who got booted


DPS Stationary with little maneuvering vs constant repositioning.
Green nub mentioned me "assuming" I was kicked from a WoW raid group.
Like you did.

Elitest are people who think numbers matter, the kind of people who don't even use said meters properly. And most likely play the easiest dps class of the game. I'm sure your rotations were amazing in WoW,EQ,etc insert tab target mmo here with boring raid content that was do-able within 3 days of release/expansion. Huge challenge killing AI bro.
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This thing blew up.

Well just a thought, my opinion I guess.

BG's - They are coming and its not a bad thing at all. Gives a little mix to the grind. I hope this doesn't break world pvp and make it a thing of the past. That would be my only worry, the ONLY pvp is found in BG's. However I guess that will be more server based. Keep up gvg wars and all should be fine. So im not worried to much about this.

Meter's - This one seems to hit a nerve. Personal I do not want or like meter's in any game thanks to guys like Lowbei.
I would be for them if more people would use meter's to help improve players. If your pugging something that really matters then things are going to go wrong anyways for the most part.
Most "non" factor or easy dungeons it shouldnt matter if someone is lower dps.
If they do, why just kick them? Make a suggestion to help them.

There are lots of reason's beyond simple rotation for dps. For example newer player to your group is new in general, he may have a rotation down but he or she doesn't have the gear yet to max the dps. Well now you go and kick this guy (remember we are in non factor dungeons, not max raids) ... well this is one more time this player doesn't get loot all because his meter was lower then what others wanted.

This even goes deeper to, if your the type to kick someone for low numbers why would you pug ever? I can't think of one time I have ever, in any mmo had to pug on something that mattered. I only pugged for small things. So if we got some trashy dps'r (that was trying hard not just standing around) it didn't matter to me or my friends we would just chat w/ them, toss a few suggestions and chug them along.

I dunno. This seems like a sore subject. It just saddens me to see guys like lowbei who want to kick people on there [filtered] for low numbers no matter what.

oh well it is what it is..
Edited by: frawressvictoly about 1 year ago
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