Wow, lot of comments since I went to bed.
Ok, first thing to address.
"The game is designed for 17+, younger people shouldn't play"
BZZZZZZ, wrong answer.
The ratings a game gets are purely for parental information. There is no law, nor ToS agreement (nor should there be one) that someone under the age of the games rating can not play it. It is the parents decision. If they look at the games rating, view videos, ask what the games about, and decide that the content isn't unsuitable for their child, then their child can play.
The ratings are relative to the parent. It's merely a warning of what's in the game. Saying that kids shouldn't even be in this game is tantamount to saying that under no circumstances should anyone under 17 ever watch an R rated movie, parental consent or not.
Second, we don't know the reason why EME chose to ask BHS to apply the new textures to this version. In all likelihood it has NOTHING to do with the rating (it would not have gotten the game an AO rating). It has nothing to do with children seeing it (if it did, Toddlers and Tiaras would be banned from TV).
The reasoning could very well be in line with frogster's reasoning (to protect those under the age of consent from pedos). It could also very well be that EME was just trying to appeal to a wider audience. It could be a [filtered]s and giggles thing. It could be that BHS plans on putting these textures into KTera and wanted to test 'em out in NA. We can't know as we weren't told the reasoning behind it (nor are we owed an explanation, as someone pointed out, it's EME's game in NA, if they don't feel like releasing a statement, they don't have to. You can submit a ticket, but they don't have to respond).
Third, To those that used toddlers and tiaras claiming it's "acceptable by culture as a whole" it is not. Quite the opposite. I was assigned a group speech that had to do with child beauty pageants. To prepare, our group did a survey of 1800 people (out infront of walmart and various gas stations over a week). 68% said that child beauty pageants were not acceptable, 8% said they were acceptable, 24% did not know that was even a thing (go figure lol).
The reason it's allowed is simply because it's not illegal. Culturally the majority doesn't like it. But until it's made illegal, it can go on. Just like had EME decided to keep the original textures.
They could have, it's not necessarily illegal (there's a big huge gray area when it comes to animation/drawings and child like girls).
However EME decided they didn't want it in the game. If we assume that Frogster's reasoning == EME's reasoning (to protect children that are (and have the right to play given parental consent)) then here's my opinion...
It's good. If even one pedophile decided not to play this game, and as a result did not come into contact with a child/early teen he/she otherwise would have, and sexually assaulted, I say this case of censorship is far justified.
It DOES happen (pedo's meeting children/young teens in MMOs and meeting and sexually abusing them) and I'm all for taking precautionary measures to try and lessen the chances of it happen.
This is purely my opinion, it's shaped by the fact that I was sexually abused as a child. It's not right or wrong, it's an opinion.
On a final note, I think our laws in the US regarding drawings and victimless CP crimes are absurd. It is currently illegal to have or create any image,animation,computer render that shows a child-like girl in such a way as to be viewed as sexually gratifying.
As you can see, that's a very vague law. It's ultimately up to the prosecutor if they feel the "line was crossed" (there have been arrests and convictions over various Manga in the US). Hence my "it's a gray area" statement earlier. It is situational and depends almost 100% with what the prosecutors view is, and if he thinks he can get a conviction (in most cases they will, as being accused of having CP is that damaging in our flawed judicial system).
I feel this law is just absurd. Drawings and images can actually deter a pedophile from actively engaging children, and they help decrease the demand for actual CP in which children are involved. Essentially by blanketing and saying "it's illegal, and you could be arrested because of a drawing/animation/computer rendered image" we're giving the pedos one less outlet to vent their desires, which may cause them to become active.
Now, in regards to MMOs, I think the censorship is justified solely because children CAN play (with parental consent). Whether they should be allowed to or not is completely irrelevant, as the fact of the matter is they can and are. If this were a single player game, then I wouldn't have any problems with it, but it's a community based game where children are present. See my earlier post about if even one child is protected by the elin change (yes I'm aware it will never be able to be proven. You can prove that something may have caused another thing, but it's very hard if not impossible to prove that enacting something was effective in discouraging it...at least until we figure out how to view parallel dimensions).
1) Kids can and do play. It's up to the parents to make the call if they want their kids in the game, given the information available and the current state of the game.
2)The texture changes had nothing to do with the games ESRB rating, as keeping them in would not have affected it.
3)Toddlers and Tiaras, and child beauty pageants are not culturally acceptable in general (people watch the shows because they're disgusted and in shock/awe that it goes on) but it is not illegal, so it is allowed to continue (till someone makes a law against it).
Eme could have legally kept the original skins in game, but for whatever reason they chose not to. Their (and BHS's) call.
4) Assuming that the reasoning behind it was to help deter pedos from being in this game (where those under 17 are playing, are allowed to play, regardless of how each of us feels about it, they are at this point in time) then I'm all for it. If it deters one pedo from coming into contact with, and later abusing a minor, it's justified.
5) Our laws concerning drawings and animations that are victimless, yet prosecutable as CP are absurd. So long as those things are kept out of community based situations where children can be present, they shouldn't be illegal.
6) (addendum) Censorship is NOT all or nothing, despite how much some of you claim otherwise. Censorship is situational. Even our first amendment right IS limited (it does not cover what is considered obscene material). Also censorship is only truly wrong when done so by the government. A person censoring something that they distribute/produce is well within their rights to do so (and is actually not censorship if they aren't pressured to do so and instead chose of their own free will to "censor" it). It's their decision. It can not be right or wrong. If Michelangelo had decided to not sculpt a [filtered], or to later cover it up, that would be his call.
EME and BHS decided for whatever reason they didn't want those textures in the NA release. That's it. You can feel like you were wronged, but you weren't. It was BHS/EME's call. If you're unhappy with it you're free to walk away at any time.
Edited by: tizubythefizo
over 1 year ago