Tell me Zera, what race and gender do you play as? I'm just wondering why you seem so focused on the Elin, I for one have stated quite a few times (on other topics) that I for one think the whole "Elin are Children! WAH!" argument could have been avoided if they would have just giving them fur back in development (basically make them look not human, they are female Popori, if they weren’t why haven’t they changed the files names yet? (and it is easy to do, it’s just tedious)).
My issue, if you would learn how to read (even I have ADHD, but I’ll at least read the argument though (although yours wasn’t much of an argument more of “I’m right and I don’t need evidence to prove itâ€)), is that EME made the entire censorship pointless by their own statement.
Edit: "Darkness is a completely different market. And know why it doesnt offend me? Because Im not offended by stuff like this"
"One. Stretching your vocabulary and posting overly long-winded arguments does not make you seem more intelligent nor does it lend you credibility. In fact it only comes off as desperate.
Two. Using the "censorship of art" argument is like using the age old asian, "Sure, I drew a naked nine yea old but she's, 3000 years old because I say so!" You still drew a naked 9 year old. The excuse didnt work twenty years ago and it doesnt work now.
Third. The censorship of art argument is invalid in the first place. Everything is considered art to someone, including murder, and all profound things like pedos. This is why we have censorship at all. The same reason we have laws. So the rest of us don't have to deal with your issues. You want nipples? Internets full of porn. I for one am glad I can play this game around family and not be embarrassed. Get over it, mate. Suck it. "
*cracks knuckles* Time for a bit of logic. Firstly, you as every other foolish person here only focus around one thing and one thing only... You're all obsessed with the Elin and are attempting to shift the conversation off of the censorship in general by talking of paedophilia. Even your rebuttal talks about nine year old girls. The irony of calling me a paedophile while you yourselves are the ones obsessed with the concept of scantily clad petite women (and that's what they are, not children) being children and to use your own ideas against you; I'd seek counseling because you obviously have a problem with identifying the difference between a woman and a child.
Now then as I said IN THE ORIGINAL POSTING; it's all perception. What appears as a young girl to you might actually be a girl well into her 20's or even 30's who just has a petite build, they could even have a genetic disorder, or they might be of asian decent (this is not a racist statement, it is merely used to show that many asian women well into their 20's/30's look as if they were only 15-18.)
Shoving your paedophilia argument aside, the issue is the censorship of art and EME did blatantly censor it because of exactly what you and all the other pro-censors are saying; they wanted to shut you up before you even opened your traps.
But then again I've yet to see anyone address my later comment about this being a slippery slope so I say again what if they decide to appease another demographic and make all female characters become crafters who are not allowed to leave town? Or what if they make it so that all weapons are foam bats to appease the anti-violence crowd. I can go on and on with hypothetical situations like this but the point remains the same, by censoring to such a strong degree now it shows what they are willing to do in the future with no justification.
"One. Stretching your vocabulary and posting overly long-winded arguments does not make you seem more intelligent nor does it lend you credibility. In fact it only comes off as desperate.
Two. Using the "censorship of art" argument is like using the age old asian, "Sure, I drew a naked nine yea old but she's, 3000 years old because I say so!" You still drew a naked 9 year old. The excuse didnt work twenty years ago and it doesnt work now.
Third. The censorship of art argument is invalid in the first place. Everything is considered art to someone, including murder, and all profound things like pedos. This is why we have censorship at all. The same reason we have laws. So the rest of us don't have to deal with your issues. You want nipples? Internets full of porn. I for one am glad I can play this game around family and not be embarrassed. Get over it, mate. Suck it. "
*cracks knuckles* Time for a bit of logic. Firstly, you as every other foolish person here only focus around one thing and one thing only... You're all obsessed with the Elin and are attempting to shift the conversation off of the censorship in general by talking of paedophilia. Even your rebuttal talks about nine year old girls. The irony of calling me a paedophile while you yourselves are the ones obsessed with the concept of scantily clad petite women (and that's what they are, not children) being children and to use your own ideas against you; I'd seek counseling because you obviously have a problem with identifying the difference between a woman and a child.
Now then as I said IN THE ORIGINAL POSTING; it's all perception. What appears as a young girl to you might actually be a girl well into her 20's or even 30's who just has a petite build, they could even have a genetic disorder, or they might be of asian decent (this is not a racist statement, it is merely used to show that many asian women well into their 20's/30's look as if they were only 15-18.)
Shoving your paedophilia argument aside, the issue is the censorship of art and EME did blatantly censor it because of exactly what you and all the other pro-censors are saying; they wanted to shut you up before you even opened your traps.
But then again I've yet to see anyone address my later comment about this being a slippery slope so I say again what if they decide to appease another demographic and make all female characters become crafters who are not allowed to leave town? Or what if they make it so that all weapons are foam bats to appease the anti-violence crowd. I can go on and on with hypothetical situations like this but the point remains the same, by censoring to such a strong degree now it shows what they are willing to do in the future with no justification.
Male Castanic Red, though I am a fan of the fabulously wonderful Hig Elf Males... Mmm. And neither of us is really reading the others arguement Kiregean because we both know we're right as we're kings in our own worlds. I already tol yo would would project on me on page 14, and im still not offended by it. I know i'm not. =p And two, proportinal dwarfism in g-strings might be scarier tbh. Trufax. That goes back to point two. And of course my whole stance is Im not offended, but what im aruing is you all whining about it. Censorship does have place in society and aside from that it doesnt make the game any less playable. Isnt it funny though how they jump up in rows and all say, "You disagree with us you must be the pedo!" lawls. I know im not and you all make it clear by following the same mentality as the rest of your lot and project like there's no tomorrow trying to make people uncomfortable enough to back down. Please, say im projecting more. I obviously am. =P
And no, I can tell a woman from a child just fine. That's why I know Elin are children, as any sane rational person will agree.
EDIT: Re-read your post Red... So... What you're saying is you want furry children to fap too because nine year olds arent explicit enough?
The censorship boat has sailed and it may never come back in one piece, yet if they (whoever came up with the idea) were going to MOD something, doing a better job of it would have made more sense.
IMO we are better off with black rectangular censor bars than the horrid designs of the Elin armor.
"One. Stretching your vocabulary and posting overly long-winded arguments does not make you seem more intelligent nor does it lend you credibility. In fact it only comes off as desperate.
Two. Using the "censorship of art" argument is like using the age old asian, "Sure, I drew a naked nine yea old but she's, 3000 years old because I say so!" You still drew a naked 9 year old. The excuse didnt work twenty years ago and it doesnt work now.
Third. The censorship of art argument is invalid in the first place. Everything is considered art to someone, including murder, and all profound things like pedos. This is why we have censorship at all. The same reason we have laws. So the rest of us don't have to deal with your issues. You want nipples? Internets full of porn. I for one am glad I can play this game around family and not be embarrassed. Get over it, mate. Suck it. "
*cracks knuckles* Time for a bit of logic. Firstly, you as every other foolish person here only focus around one thing and one thing only... You're all obsessed with the Elin and are attempting to shift the conversation off of the censorship in general by talking of paedophilia. Even your rebuttal talks about nine year old girls. The irony of calling me a paedophile while you yourselves are the ones obsessed with the concept of scantily clad petite women (and that's what they are, not children) being children and to use your own ideas against you; I'd seek counseling because you obviously have a problem with identifying the difference between a woman and a child.
Now then as I said IN THE ORIGINAL POSTING; it's all perception. What appears as a young girl to you might actually be a girl well into her 20's or even 30's who just has a petite build, they could even have a genetic disorder, or they might be of asian decent (this is not a racist statement, it is merely used to show that many asian women well into their 20's/30's look as if they were only 15-18.)
Shoving your paedophilia argument aside, the issue is the censorship of art and EME did blatantly censor it because of exactly what you and all the other pro-censors are saying; they wanted to shut you up before you even opened your traps.
But then again I've yet to see anyone address my later comment about this being a slippery slope so I say again what if they decide to appease another demographic and make all female characters become crafters who are not allowed to leave town? Or what if they make it so that all weapons are foam bats to appease the anti-violence crowd. I can go on and on with hypothetical situations like this but the point remains the same, by censoring to such a strong degree now it shows what they are willing to do in the future with no justification.
Someone did respond somewhere to your last argument.
I'll also respond.
They are free to make those changes. It's their game. I personally would stop playing at that point, but I respect their right to make whatever changes the want to, without justification. It's their game. Will they do all that? Probably not.
But then again, censorship is not a black and white issue. Almost nothing in life is a black and white issue. It's a gray area, it's situational. There are times when some forms of censorship are acceptable and other times when generally it's not.
Generally only government or authority figure censorship is bad at all.
If I am the artist, and I chose of my own free will to censor a previous work, that's my right, and it's not wrong. It's my decision.
BHS artists made the change based on the opinion of something under their control (EME is ultimately under the control, and owned by, BHS).
Now you might have a valid argument with Frogster, since they are not related to BHS in any way, and if they demanded the changes or refused to sell the game without them, then that would be bad censorship (caving in to a demand).
EME doesn't work with demands. They work with requests. Like a child asking their parent for permission. They don't get to say "Yeah well if you don't do this, we won't publish" because BHS would simply fire and replace whoever said that. BHS has ultimate control over NA Tera.
You know, I really do want to know why people like Zera keep bring up the Elin? This isn't even an Elin topic, it's a "Censorship in General" topic, so why are the pro-censorship crowd so obsessed with the Elin?
Well, RedScar. It's obviously because the Elin get me all angsty and bothered so I have to project on you, duh. It had nothing to do with me trolling you and enjoying your responses in the least bit. =P
You still completely ignore the hypotheticals I presented, Zera. You my friend, have just lost the argument by saying (exactly what I said you would) that Elin are children and you completely ignored the facts about underdeveloped women.
You ask for a rebuttal and then merely state I'm wrong because of your misinformed opinion. Try that in the real world, go tell a petite girl "Sorry you can't wear revealing clothing because you don't look eighteen." I'm sure she'd be happy to sue you for discrimination.
You still completely ignore the hypotheticals I presented, Zera. You my friend, have just lost the argument by saying (exactly what I said you would) that Elin are children and you completely ignored the facts about underdeveloped women.
You ask for a rebuttal and then merely state I'm wrong because of your misinformed opinion. Try that in the real world, go tell a petite girl "Sorry you can't wear revealing clothing because you don't look eighteen." I'm sure she'd be happy to sue you for discrimination.
Know why I ignore the hypotheticals? Cause theyrehypothetical, as in irrelevant and not the case... lol. But... I wouldnt do that in the real world? If she looks like a little girl I dont forsee myself walking up to her in the first place. Again you keep hammering down on weird obscure technicalities and argue as pointlesssly and illogically as my own posts. Know why theres no logic? THERES NO FACTS THAT SUPPORT EITHER SIDE.It's all opinion. I honestly just enjoy your whining and defending such pointless things.You dig your own grave that way.
EDIT: Obviously Im actually the one that won by having the last post of the arguement and more importantly Loling. Lawls.
it takes 5 minutes to mod your files to the Korean files. And there is 0% chance of you getting banned because the modifications are client side and EME can't tell if you did it, even if they cared, which I doubt they do.
Most armor actually looks better in the West version, though, I think a lot of the Korean armor is *too* scanty.