it takes 5 minutes to mod your files to the Korean files. And there is 0% chance of you getting banned because the modifications are client side and EME can't tell if you did it, even if they cared, which I doubt they do.
Most armor actually looks better in the West version, though, I think a lot of the Korean armor is *too* scanty.
Unless you post about it in the forums, so the chance isn't 0%. You neglected to factor in that some people are stupid and admit to infractions without realizing it.
it takes 5 minutes to mod your files to the Korean files. And there is 0% chance of you getting banned because the modifications are client side and EME can't tell if you did it, even if they cared, which I doubt they do.
Most armor actually looks better in the West version, though, I think a lot of the Korean armor is *too* scanty.
Unless you post about it in the forums, so the chance isn't 0%. You neglected to factor in that some people are stupid and admit to infractions without realizing it.
Third, To those that used toddlers and tiaras claiming it's "acceptable by culture as a whole" it is not. Quite the opposite. I was assigned a group speech that had to do with child beauty pageants. To prepare, our group did a survey of 1800 people (out infront of walmart and various gas stations over a week). 68% said that child beauty pageants were not acceptable, 8% said they were acceptable, 24% did not know that was even a thing (go figure lol).
It's good. If even one pedophile decided not to play this game, and as a result did not come into contact with a child/early teen he/she otherwise would have, and sexually assaulted, I say this case of censorship is far justified.
No, you know what's good?
NOT LETTING YOUR KIDS PLAY GAMES AIMED AT ADULTS
Also, the idea that changing bikini bottoms to hotpants would stop a pedo from playing for the Elin is laughable.
The entire rest of your overlong post rests on these tired and previously dismantled points.
In short: we need to fundamentally change the whole human society to stop these fights.
And that ain't gonna happen, people are generally scared of changes.
And I can watch child models on TV in the middle of the day, but not fictional child-like spirits who aren't even human in an adult game.
Makes total sense.
Ok, first thing to address.
"The game is designed for 17+, younger people shouldn't play"
BZZZZZZ, wrong answer.
In fact, correct answer, as this is the sole justification for allowing any adult content in any video game.
By allowing the BUT CHILDREN MIGHT PLAY IT stupidity, we end up having to censor everything.
tizubythefizo on 05/03/2012, 09:27 AM
Second, we don't know the reason why EME chose to ask BHS to apply the new textures to this version.
We know with regard to the Elin, as Frogster made a statement which said they went to BHS together.
tizubythefizo on 05/03/2012, 09:27 AM
Third, To those that used toddlers and tiaras claiming it's "acceptable by culture as a whole" it is not. Quite the opposite. I was assigned a group speech that had to do with child beauty pageants. To prepare, our group did a survey of 1800 people (out infront of walmart and various gas stations over a week). 68% said that child beauty pageants were not acceptable, 8% said they were acceptable, 24% did not know that was even a thing (go figure lol).
And yet it is on TV.
tizubythefizo on 05/03/2012, 09:27 AM
It's good. If even one pedophile decided not to play this game, and as a result did not come into contact with a child/early teen he/she otherwise would have, and sexually assaulted, I say this case of censorship is far justified.
No, you know what's good?
NOT LETTING YOUR KIDS PLAY GAMES AIMED AT ADULTS
Also, the idea that changing bikini bottoms to hotpants would stop a pedo from playing for the Elin is laughable.
The entire rest of your overlong post rests on these tired and previously dismantled points.
That's your opinion that kids shouldn't play games aimed at a mature audience. This game isn't made for adults, otherwise it would carry an "Adult Only" rating. Even still it's the parents discretion.
Parents have the right to decide for their children whether to play a game or not. Just because a game has a mature label doesn't even mean the game was targeted at adults. It means the ESRB (a biased comittee) has decided that parents need to be warned of what is in the game, and that in their opinion the game is not suitable for people under an arbitrary age.
You're free to believe that parents should never let their children play M rated games. I, and many...MANY others disagree and believe the parents should make an informed decision.
"But where does the censorship stop?" It stops when the company producing the game is satisfied. You have no say in the matter. The company will make the decisions based on potential profit. If it's more profitable to dumb the game down, the company will (See Frogster and Pegi12).
If they view it as more profitable not to censor something, then it won't be censored.
"Also, the idea that changing bikini bottoms to hotpants would stop a pedo from playing for the Elin is laughable."
it's plausible. I never said it has happened, I said if it does stop one, it's justified.
Ultimately if the company feels like censoring certain aspects of their game is in their best interest they will. For profit companies don't care about your best interest, they care about what they perceive as their best interest. All decisions reflect that.
You call it being screwed over, others call it justified. The justified camp can be assumed to be much larger, given that the new textures exist. If EME/BHS didn't feel it was in their best interests they wouldn't have spent the time and money to make the changes.
In short: we need to fundamentally change the whole human society to stop these fights.
And that ain't gonna happen, people are generally scared of changes.
And I can watch child models on TV in the middle of the day, but not fictional child-like spirits who aren't even human in an adult game.
Makes total sense.
You could totally watch that if some company made a product that had it.
No one is saying EME/BHS CAN'T show that.
They just chose not to.
Tizuby, I'm going to point this out once again that this is NOT En Masse's property, they are a subsidiary which means they are merely affiliated with the core company and as such, like with Frogster, they can make changes without the consulting of Bluehole.
Firstly, the idea that En Masse doesn't make changes unless Bluehole tells them is laughable because if that were the case then the game would most likely have been released as is and only translated. Your argument fails dismally at that point.
Secondly, do you even understand what a subsidiary is? I'm noticing this a lot that many of you are unfamiliar with what that actually entails. A subsidiary company is an independent company that is affiliated with a larger core company (the key word here is independant, they report their final changes but don't seek approval), in this case it is Bluehole. Subsidiaries are required only to report changes made and then Bluehole has the right to review and veto them if they deem necessary. This is the same as with all Publisher/Developer arrangements, this one in particular is just fundamentally reversed from the normal situation (Normally the publisher purchases the developer not vice versa.)
Tizuby, I'm going to point this out once again that this is NOT En Masse's property, they are a subsidiary which means they are merely affiliated with the core company and as such, like with Frogster, they can make changes without the consulting of Bluehole.
Firstly, the idea that En Masse doesn't make changes unless Bluehole tells them is laughable because if that were the case then the game would most likely have been released as is and only translated. Your argument fails dismally at that point.
Secondly, do you even understand what a subsidiary is? I'm noticing this a lot that many of you are unfamiliar with what that actually entails. A subsidiary company is an independent company that is affiliated with a larger core company (the key word here is independant, they report their final changes but don't seek approval), in this case it is Bluehole. Subsidiaries are required only to report changes made and then Bluehole has the right to review and veto them if they deem necessary. This is the same as with all Publisher/Developer arrangements, this one in particular is just fundamentally reversed from the normal situation (Normally the publisher purchases the developer not vice versa.)
Um you shot down your own arguement there. "Bluehole has the right o review and veto them if they deem necessary" Obviously bluehole doesnt see your position as necessary.
Tizuby, I'm going to point this out once again that this is NOT En Masse's property, they are a subsidiary which means they are merely affiliated with the core company and as such, like with Frogster, they can make changes without the consulting of Bluehole.
Firstly, the idea that En Masse doesn't make changes unless Bluehole tells them is laughable because if that were the case then the game would most likely have been released as is and only translated. Your argument fails dismally at that point.
Secondly, do you even understand what a subsidiary is? I'm noticing this a lot that many of you are unfamiliar with what that actually entails. A subsidiary company is an independent company that is affiliated with a larger core company, in this case it is Bluehole. Subsidiaries are required only to report changes made and then Bluehole has the right to review and veto them if they deem necessary. This is the same as with all Publisher/Developer arrangements, this one in particular is just fundamentally reversed from the normal situation (Normally the publisher purchases the developer not vice versa.)
Yes, but by being a subsidiary BHS can retain a certain level of control. EME does have the power to independently change some things (quests/rewards/loot drops) but need BHS's permission on others (Texture changes, core mechanics, mainly hard coded things).
BHS would have had to approve the texture change, given that their artists are the ones that made the change. EME has also stated that they have some, but not unlimited freedom to do as they want. Some things are in their power to change, most things are not. They just reccomend to BHS.
"We would just get a port" - Not if BHS designed the game with the western audience in mind. In fact KTera is unlike traditional Korean MMOs, as it was stated from ground up they wanted a worldwide release. Other markets were not an afterthought.
BHS is being active in the changes for the NA market, they aren't just handing off the code to EME and saying "change whatever you feel like"