You're free to believe that parents should never let their children play M rated games. I, and many...MANY others disagree and believe the parents should make an informed decision.

"But where does the censorship stop?" It stops when the company producing the game is satisfied. You have no say in the matter. The company will make the decisions based on potential profit. If it's more profitable to dumb the game down, the company will (See Frogster and Pegi12).
If they view it as more profitable not to censor something, then it won't be censored.

"Also, the idea that changing bikini bottoms to hotpants would stop a pedo from playing for the Elin is laughable."
it's plausible. I never said it has happened, I said if it does stop one, it's justified.

but really, I could come up with objections for the rest of the day. Your position is just that ridiculous.

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Quote: tizubythefizo on 05/03/2012, 10:33 AM

You're free to believe that parents should never let their children play M rated games. I, and many...MANY others disagree and believe the parents should make an informed decision.

Fine, I was just making a generalisation, if you want to advocate children playing adult games in the same breath as you advocate censoring games because of the harm they could do to children fine. Contradicting yourself saves me the trouble.

Quote: tizubythefizo on 05/03/2012, 10:33 AM

"But where does the censorship stop?" It stops when the company producing the game is satisfied. You have no say in the matter. The company will make the decisions based on potential profit. If it's more profitable to dumb the game down, the company will (See Frogster and Pegi12).
If they view it as more profitable not to censor something, then it won't be censored.

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

Quote: tizubythefizo on 05/03/2012, 10:33 AM

"Also, the idea that changing bikini bottoms to hotpants would stop a pedo from playing for the Elin is laughable."
it's plausible. I never said it has happened, I said if it does stop one, it's justified.

No, it's not plausible. Unless you posit some kind of bikini-bottom feitishist pedophile who hunts kids using MMORPGs. I mean, wow, how small a demographic must that be?

Of course, this doesn't even address the issue of a pedophile playing Tera for the Elin, but then suddenly turning into a predator after real children. No, we won't just get the harmless kind who only look at virtual girls, or the hardcore type who will use any social tool on the internet to groom children. No, we'll get the harmless type who is obsessed with bikini bottoms and will turn into a full fledged predator as soon as he is in contact with children in a virtual environment. Yep. Likely.


But you know how we could be sure to prevent pedos playing for the Elin? Absolutely sure? Remove the Elin. If you believe this argument holds water, then by not advocating the removal of the Elin you are simply saying "It's ok to censor them a little to save a kid. But you can't remove them. A kid isn't worth that much".

And you know how we could be sure to prevent pedos playing at all? Absolutely sure? Shut down Tera. If you believe this argument holds water, then by not advocating the shutting down of Tera you are simply saying "It's ok remove a race to save a kid. But you can't shut down the game. A kid isn't worth that much".

I could go on to how a pedophile actually looking to groom children would play a child's online game, not an adults one, but really, I could come up with objections for the rest of the day. Your position is just that ridiculous.


BTW: this is you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

Lots of silly arguments in this thread. A few points:

- The ESRB has nothing to do with this discussion. Tons of games that are much worse (more violence, nudity, and language) than TERA and are still rated M.

- It's not toned down all that much. My mystic looks like she's wearing a prom dress in to battle. The Elins are still there, just modified slightly. And huge bouncing breasts are everywhere.

- There is no "censorship" going on here, really, as that implies outside forces suppressing what BHS/EME/Frogster/Whoever wants to do with the game. What we're talking about is adaptation. EME rightly decided to tone down some of the visuals in the game to appeal to the western audience. Their job is not to fulfill some artistic vision, it's to make money. They determined that the game would sell better here (North America) if they made a few changes, so they made them.

You can disagree with their reasoning, but look at it from their perspective. There are two groups of potential customers in play here: Those who think the visuals are unappealing for whatever reason, and those who are unhappy with the changes made. I'd be willing to be that the former group is vastly larger than the latter. It only makes sense to work to win them over.

- There is no "censorship" going on here, really, as that implies outside forces suppressing what BHS/EME/Frogster/Whoever wants to do with the game. What we're talking about is adaptation. EME rightly decided to tone down some of the visuals in the game to appeal to the western audience. Their job is not to fulfill some artistic vision, it's to make money. They determined that the game would sell better here (North America) if they made a few changes, so they made them.

Those who think the visuals are unappealing for whatever reason, and those who are unhappy with the changes made. I'd be willing to be that the former group is vastly larger than the latter.

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/63121

Like I said, it happens.