The Age Old "Unrequired Censorship" Argument.

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ZerachielThalos on 05/03/2012, 11:16 AM - view
Malamasala on 05/03/2012, 11:09 AM
It tends to make me wonder if I'm biased


Yeppp, that's called bias. When you're certain your side is brilliant and the other side idiots because they don't agree. All sides would lose due to the fact that everyone is arguing about irrelevant opinions
See when someone claims everything is opinion, they've either lost or are an idiot. So I wouldn't worry Malamasala. Also, your post being one of the most to-the-point and articulate in here lends credit to your perception.
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Lol, look at CrumpleCorn so serious. To all of you arguing about intellectual versus non. I forgive you for being biased to your side. Everyone needs to get a sense of achievement in life somehow. ^^ Its okay, you can have your panties, you fierce mental warrior you. There you win. Has EME rolled over for you? No? Shocker.
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Why is Westernization evil and abhorrent while Easternization is not? Why is anything from western culture viewed with disgust and contempt if it's different than eastern culture whereas when a westerner dislikes something in eastern culture they're immediately labeled a bigot, or childish or arrogant?
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Crumplecorn on 05/03/2012, 11:17 AM - view
That pretty much sounds like what we're measuring by counting forum threads. And even in the threads themselves (which are, I'l stop being rhetorical now, all anti-censorship), where are the hordes of pro-censorship people?

I really can't explain it any clearer. Complaints will always outweigh non-complaints in situations like this. I bet most casual players don't even know what was changed.

A better argument would be asking how many TERA players there are all together, and how many of them have complained that they can't see elin panties on the forums. If it's over 50%, you may have something. In reality I bet it's around 1%.
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SlackerCS on 05/03/2012, 11:23 AM - view
Crumplecorn on 05/03/2012, 11:17 AM
That pretty much sounds like what we're measuring by counting forum threads. And even in the threads themselves (which are, I'l stop being rhetorical now, all anti-censorship), where are the hordes of pro-censorship people?

I really can't explain it any clearer. Complaints will always outweigh non-complaints in situations like this. A better argument would be asking how many TERA players there are, and how many of them have complained that they can't see elin panties on the forums. If it's over 50%, you may have something. In reality I bet it's around 1%.

It's the vocal minority phenomenon. Can be observed outside Wallstreet daily these days.
Edited by: Baratan about 1 year ago
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Kiregean on 05/03/2012, 11:18 AM - view
You failed to read what I said, they are a subsidiary, Bluehole must give them the go-ahead for the final changes but En Masse isn't responsible for alerting them of every change as they happen.



"Wholly controlled" does not translate to "under constant moderation" it merely means they own the controlling stake of the company. En Masse is for all intents and purposes a separate entity from Bluehole in this discussion and the claim that Bluehole made the changes is preposterous, Bluehole would not release substandard textures that have been added, not after putting that much effort into the game. En Masse may be trying to "pass the buck" off to Bluehole for the changes but it is clearly not the case.


Orly?...Shall we wined back the clock a to about a year ago........


"I could have sworn that BroMag or Scapes already said that the art was going to be handled by the original artists in Korea, anyway. Those guys may not be doing much of anything at this point in the TERA cycle, unless the management has already transitioned the artists to the first expansion pack or another game entirely."

http://www.terafans.com/topic/8233-elin-censorship-tithus/page__p__49281__hl__censorship__fromsearch__1#entry49281

EME made the request for the change, and BHS gave us the models we have today. As for the “low quality,” many of us fell that they were rushed.

Edit:Sigh, noobies on the topic. Although it's not entirely your fault. The old forums had so much good information from back then. EME is mostly to blame for at least not achieving them.
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ZerachielThalos on 05/03/2012, 11:22 AM - view
Lol, look at CrumpleCorn so serious. To all of you arguing about intellectual versus non. I forgive you for being biased to your side. Everyone needs to get a sense of achievement in life somehow. ^^ Its okay, you can have your panties, you fierce mental warrior you. There you win. Has EME rolled over for you? No? Shocker.
And then there was nothing.


Baratan on 05/03/2012, 11:23 AM
Why is Westernization evil and abhorrent while Easternization is not? Why is anything from western culture viewed with disgust and contempt if it's different than eastern culture whereas when a westerner dislikes something in eastern culture they're immediately labeled a bigot, or childish or arrogant?
Who said this is the case?


SlackerCS on 05/03/2012, 11:23 AM
I really can't explain it any clearer. Complaints will always outweigh non-complaints in situations like this. I bet most casual players don't even know what was changed.

A better argument would be asking how many TERA players there are all together, and how many of them have complained that they can't see elin panties on the forums. If it's over 50%, you may have something. In reality I bet it's around 1%.
Um, no. This is what I would term the vocal minority fallacy if it was up to me to name fallacies. What matters is what the majority of people who care/complain/quit over it think. Having a majority over the clueless casuals who, as you agree, don't even notice this is going on, is unnecessary.
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So many tears. For those that really want panties and not boyshorts on their Elin, just take 5 minutes to change them and stay quiet.

I do hate any kind of censorship and it does suck knowing that KTera has different/original models so we feel we're entitled to the same thing (if against censorship and/or some loli fan). Bet EME wish Ktera Elin didn't have the panties in the first place so that none of this would have happened.

Let's see how it all plays out if Bluehole really does change the Elin stuff in Ktera to what we have now. I will have popcorn for myself and Visine ready for all those that will be crying.

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Congratulations TrueElin, you just sabotaged yourself by using an unsubstantiated souce (IE a post from a forum moderator on a FAN SITE) who even states "I could have sworn..." meaning that they aren't even sure themselves.
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almost 20 pages of debate and the only thing we seem to be able to agree upon is the fact that the original skins aren't in the NA version, lol

I'm backing out of the debate for now, have some TFS projects to set up >.<