The Age Old "Unrequired Censorship" Argument.

Kiregean Profile Options #11

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Once again, keep the posting civil and on topic; I do not wish to reiterate myself further.

Act as an adult and be treated as one; act as a child and be treated like so as well. The tables go both ways.

EDIT: And Baratan your failure to see the correlation shows that you cannot coherently address this argument. Please refrain from further commenting unless you wish to add something constructive rather than repeating over and over "A doesn't equal B."

The argument is valid if you have enough sense to take cultural boundaries into account; your inability to does not fault the argument.
Edited by: Kiregean about 1 year ago
Baratan Profile Options #12

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Since it's so easily done as you implied, why don't you just go ahead of offer evidence or other supporting information for your conclusions as listed,
-"These textures were deemed unacceptable"
-"unacceptable for western audiences"
-"due to the western culture"
-"western culture's abundant need to overzealously control"
-"control what it determines as sensibilities"
-"determines as sensibilities"
-"sensibilities for everyone."
Those are your conclusions. Now support them. It won't take any more time than your original post did.

EDIT: Your inability to discern the difference between correlation and causation has become more clear. Correlation does not prove or imply cause. In addition, your ad hominem argmentum at the end of your edited post actually supports my claim.
Edited by: Baratan about 1 year ago
tizubythefizo Profile Options #13

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BHS decided on and made the changes, Not EME/Frogster

Until BHS (or possibly EME) comes out and says exactly why the changes were made, your argument is purely conjecture.

Frogster's claim that the changes were to avoid "unsavory types" cannot be taken as fact, because Frogster had very little, if any weight on the subject. Their statement was just an attempt to appease their community.

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tizubythefizo on 05/02/2012, 11:37 PM - view
BHS decided on and made the changes, Not EME/Frogster

Until BHS (or possibly EME) comes out and says exactly why the changes were made, your argument is purely conjecture.

Frogster's claim that the changes were to avoid "unsavory types" cannot be taken as fact, because Frogster had very little, if any weight on the subject. Their statement was just an attempt to appease their community.


This is a much more thoughtful and intelligent take on the matter at hand. A premise which supports it's conclusions. Bravo.
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Baratan on 05/02/2012, 11:39 PM - view
tizubythefizo on 05/02/2012, 11:37 PM
BHS decided on and made the changes, Not EME/Frogster

Until BHS (or possibly EME) comes out and says exactly why the changes were made, your argument is purely conjecture.

Frogster's claim that the changes were to avoid "unsavory types" cannot be taken as fact, because Frogster had very little, if any weight on the subject. Their statement was just an attempt to appease their community.


This is a much more thoughtful and intelligent take on the matter at hand. A premise which supports it's conclusions. Bravo.


false

its was the publishers decision on the matter.
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Well written post which will be wasted on idiots.

However, I would say that it is far far overcomplicated.

To answer the pro-censorship side, one only needs to point out that in order to have a coherent position, they must adovate the censorship of anything which offends anyone, or abandon the pro-censorship position.

Since the former leads to the censorship of basically everything, they are left with no choice.

Of course this assumes rational thought, which is not going to be found on the pro-censorship side, rendering any discussion useless.
Kiregean Profile Options #17

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1) "These textures were deemed unacceptable":

1A) If I must, the changes were made because the license holder (in this case En Masse and in Europe Frogster) was trying to conform to a rating system and for fear of attaining an AO rating (and the wish to maintain at least an M and for Europe a PEGI 12) they made substantial changes to the game, going far beyond the point where they could actually have gotten a lower rating but instead chose to keep it M.

2) "Unacceptable for western audiences"

2A) I've only two things to say to this. FCC and ESRB.

3) "Due to western culture":

3A) Western culture has a long history of exaggerating what is considered childhood as nearly all the laws demonstrate when compared to other cultures. I've listed many examples already.

4) "western culture's abundant need to overzealously control"

4A) Again, see FCC and ESRB.


You see where this is going? I don't even need to answer five and six.
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Baratan on 05/02/2012, 11:39 PM - view
tizubythefizo on 05/02/2012, 11:37 PM
BHS decided on and made the changes, Not EME/Frogster

Until BHS (or possibly EME) comes out and says exactly why the changes were made, your argument is purely conjecture.

Frogster's claim that the changes were to avoid "unsavory types" cannot be taken as fact, because Frogster had very little, if any weight on the subject. Their statement was just an attempt to appease their community.


This is a much more thoughtful and intelligent take on the matter at hand. A premise which supports it's conclusions. Bravo.
Funny how people who demand support from their opponents never demand support from those who agree with them.

Someone asserts Frogster had no say? Must be true, I heard it on the internet.
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KorruptFear on 05/02/2012, 11:40 PM - view
Baratan on 05/02/2012, 11:39 PM
tizubythefizo on 05/02/2012, 11:37 PM
BHS decided on and made the changes, Not EME/Frogster

Until BHS (or possibly EME) comes out and says exactly why the changes were made, your argument is purely conjecture.

Frogster's claim that the changes were to avoid "unsavory types" cannot be taken as fact, because Frogster had very little, if any weight on the subject. Their statement was just an attempt to appease their community.


This is a much more thoughtful and intelligent take on the matter at hand. A premise which supports it's conclusions. Bravo.


false

its was the publishers decision on the matter.

That's circular reasoning. You make two statements "false" and "its was the publishers decision on the matter" neither prove the other and both depend on the other.
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KorruptFear on 05/02/2012, 11:40 PM - view
Baratan on 05/02/2012, 11:39 PM
tizubythefizo on 05/02/2012, 11:37 PM
BHS decided on and made the changes, Not EME/Frogster

Until BHS (or possibly EME) comes out and says exactly why the changes were made, your argument is purely conjecture.

Frogster's claim that the changes were to avoid "unsavory types" cannot be taken as fact, because Frogster had very little, if any weight on the subject. Their statement was just an attempt to appease their community.


This is a much more thoughtful and intelligent take on the matter at hand. A premise which supports it's conclusions. Bravo.


false

its was the publishers decision on the matter.


Dipsh-t

EnMasse is the subsidiary, NOT the other way around.

BHS has ultimate say, and they went with it.

DERPDERPDERP