The Age Old "Unrequired Censorship" Argument.

KorruptFear Profile Options #21

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not really. if en masse says they need it censored otherwise they wont market the game what is bluehole going to do.

back to school for you.
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Crumplecorn on 05/02/2012, 11:42 PM - view
Baratan on 05/02/2012, 11:39 PM
tizubythefizo on 05/02/2012, 11:37 PM
BHS decided on and made the changes, Not EME/Frogster

Until BHS (or possibly EME) comes out and says exactly why the changes were made, your argument is purely conjecture.

Frogster's claim that the changes were to avoid "unsavory types" cannot be taken as fact, because Frogster had very little, if any weight on the subject. Their statement was just an attempt to appease their community.


This is a much more thoughtful and intelligent take on the matter at hand. A premise which supports it's conclusions. Bravo.
Funny how people who demand support from their opponents never demand support from those who agree with them.

Someone asserts Frogster had no say? Must be true, I heard it on the internet.


The premise supports the conclusion. I never said either had to be or were true or proven as such. However, the fact that the premise is directly relevant to the conclusion is much more intelligent and logical than anything in the original post.
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Baratan on 05/02/2012, 11:43 PM - view
That's circular reasoning. You make two statements "false" and "its was the publishers decision on the matter" neither prove the other and both depend on the other.
If you're going to try to sound smart by referenced logical fallacies, first learn to recognise the difference between a logical argument and a simple set of statements.


Baratan on 05/02/2012, 11:45 PM
The premise supports the conclusion. I never said either had to be or were true or proven as such. However, the fact that the premise is directly relevant to the conclusion is much more intelligent and logical than anything in the original post.
Again, stop googling 'logical fallacy' and start paying attention to what is being said.


gezodiac on 05/02/2012, 11:43 PM
Dipsh-t

EnMasse is the subsidiary, NOT the other way around.

BHS has ultimate say, and they went with it.

DERPDERPDERP
Frogster have stated that it was publisher concerns which led to the changes.
Edited by: Crumplecorn about 1 year ago
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I'll tell you why they had to change it -

ESRB - Thats right, the rating agency nobody cares about thats ran by a group of bleeding hearts house wives that knows nothing.

Now why they're involved? Because EME? (or whoever wants to release this game here) needs to sell retail copies of this game, and no retail in the US in their stuck-up policies would allow themselves to carry an ESRB AO rating game in their store.

God forbid nipples in a game would lead to the moral decay of the civilized West. Oh no, lets not worry about Vegas the City of Sin, lets just worry about imaginary pixel art instead, because we Americans have nothing else to do than getting fat and pretend we always have the moral high ground.

YEAH AMERICA!!
Edited by: Vorfeed about 1 year ago - Reason: Edit for American Righteousness. YEAH!
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Vorfeed on 05/02/2012, 11:46 PM - view
I'll tell you why they had to change it -

ESRB - Thats right, the rating agency nobody cares about thats ran by a group of bleeding hearts house wives that knows nothing.

Now why they're involved? Because EME needs to sell retail copies of this game, and no retail in the US in their stuck-up policies would allow themselves to carry an ESRB AO rating game in their store.

God forbid nipples in a game would lead to the moral decay of the civilized West. Oh no, lets not worry about Vegas the City of Sin, lets just worry about imaginary pixel art instead, because we Americans have nothing else to do than getting fat and pretend we always have the moral high ground.

YEAH AMERICA!!


actually, partial nudity will still get you a m rating. Full breasts and intercourse is AO.
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Crumplecorn on 05/02/2012, 11:45 PM - view
start paying attention to what is being said.

What is "being said" exactly? It's their game and it's their decision. How is caving in to one group's demands preferable to caving in to one other group's demands? How about, respect their decision.
Edited by: Baratan about 1 year ago
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Baratan on 05/02/2012, 11:49 PM - view
Crumplecorn on 05/02/2012, 11:45 PM
start paying attention to what is being said.

What is "being said" exactly? It's their game and it's their decision.
In the case of that last post? A bald assertion that Frogster had no say. No premises, no conclusions, no support. Just an assertion.
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Baratan on 05/02/2012, 11:49 PM - view
Crumplecorn on 05/02/2012, 11:45 PM
start paying attention to what is being said.

What is "being said" exactly? It's their game and it's their decision.


censorship was unrequired and it desecrated that art in the game. l2r kthx
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To end this foolish Publisher/Developer argument; En Masse and Frogster purchased a license from Bluehole and as such they also purchased the right to modify the game to meet their demographics. End of story; Bluehole has rights over the original property and can challenge changes but the end is that En Masse and Frogster can change the game as they please without permission so long as they do not try to remarket the product as their own creation under new pretenses.
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Crumplecorn on 05/02/2012, 11:50 PM - view
Baratan on 05/02/2012, 11:49 PM
Crumplecorn on 05/02/2012, 11:45 PM
start paying attention to what is being said.

What is "being said" exactly? It's their game and it's their decision.
In the case of that last post? A bald assertion that Frogster had no say. No premises, no conclusions, no support. Just an assertion.

What is "being said" exactly in the case of the original post?

How is caving in to one group's demands preferable to caving in to one other group's demands? How about, respect their decision.