This game has so much potential, but loot and Enchanting kill it

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You guys have seriously created one of the best gameplay MMO's out there, but the mechanics themselves are just killing my, and many of my friends wills to continue playing it.

We have done Baldurs temple 30+ times and seen only one enigmatic weapon drop that none of us could use. Every other piece of loot in the zone is complete garbage. In a game where the stats/loot are already pretty bland compared to others, this is really killing it for us.

After all these runs, I had 4 rows of gloves and 3 rows of boots saved up for enchanting. After blowing all of these, including all of my yellows (7+ per), my boots and gloves are still only +5. 7 gold items down and I can't get them past +5.

Now I'm looking at this enigmatic weapon i've been grinding the hell out of for the past half a month, and the excitement at getting it is all but diminished. Here is yet another piece of loot I'm going to have to drop 30 weapons into just to make it on par with my other level 60 weapon, not to mention all my gold from alkhests. And that's if it ever drops, I don't think I can take much more baldurs temple. That brings me to another issue...

There are literally only 4 items per tier that are any good. The rest is meant to be sacrificed. That is straight up boring. Liven it up a bit! killing two bosses so I can move on to hard mode and kill the same 2 bosses just isn't exciting at all. Even as a sorc, that single glowy blue disc fully enchanted is the only way I won't get booted from a hard mode.

tl;dr loot needs to be more fun, less grindy. This game just won't work in North America. We are spoiled and lazy from years of WoW ,and don't have time to spend all day every day grinding for a single item and getting absolutely no other rewards to go with it.
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If it all dropped first run and there was no enchanting tell me what you would be doing right now?


Right, you probably wouldn't be online as there's nothing left for you to try to accomplish.


I'm not even level 60(58) yet, you people who've been grinding dungeons for 2 weeks are doing it wrong, you're not having fun, you're working.

I've got alts, i've got purely pking alts, I stop grinding quests to PK a little, I talk with people, even set up deathmatches/duels, explore a bit, take some videos, screenshots, etc.

MMO players now just want to race to the finish, that's not how the games were designed and if you play with the mindset you'll get burnt out fast. What happened to enjoying the games? :)
Edited by: Slubber 12 months ago
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lol @ using 7 golds to get to +5

Some people.... they just can't be helped.
spezz Profile Options #4

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We get it you want the best everything right now and its just a terrible game because you dont.
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Sethisto on 06/02/2012, 09:32 PM - view
You guys have seriously created one of the best gameplay MMO's out there, but the mechanics themselves are just killing my, and many of my friends wills to continue playing it.

We have done Baldurs temple 30+ times and seen only one enigmatic weapon drop that none of us could use. Every other piece of loot in the zone is complete garbage. In a game where the stats/loot are already pretty bland compared to others, this is really killing it for us.

After all these runs, I had 4 rows of gloves and 3 rows of boots saved up for enchanting. After blowing all of these, including all of my yellows (7+ per), my boots and gloves are still only +5. 7 gold items down and I can't get them past +5.

Now I'm looking at this enigmatic weapon i've been grinding the hell out of for the past half a month, and the excitement at getting it is all but diminished. Here is yet another piece of loot I'm going to have to drop 30 weapons into just to make it on par with my other level 60 weapon, not to mention all my gold from alkhests. And that's if it ever drops, I don't think I can take much more baldurs temple. That brings me to another issue...

There are literally only 4 items per tier that are any good. The rest is meant to be sacrificed. That is straight up boring. Liven it up a bit! killing two bosses so I can move on to hard mode and kill the same 2 bosses just isn't exciting at all. Even as a sorc, that single glowy blue disc fully enchanted is the only way I won't get booted from a hard mode.

tl;dr loot needs to be more fun, less grindy. This game just won't work in North America. We are spoiled and lazy from years of WoW ,and don't have time to spend all day every day grinding for a single item and getting absolutely no other rewards to go with it.


L2useenchanting. Seriously. 1-6+ only requires white items. Why would you use blue and gold items?

Also if you don't have time to spend grinding go back to being fat and lazy with WoW.
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I don't understand, isn't "end-game" the part where you spend time getting better gear, and work making that gear even better, then show how awesome you are in PvP situations? What is perplexing: if this stuff was to easy, people would say the market sucks, everyone is the same, and the dreaded "no end-game." Now that you have to work for your end-game items to make your experience last longer, you are crying to make it easy so a week down the line you can make another thread saying you are leaving to go back to WoW, because they did it right.
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I have to agree the enchanting is killing it for me. It's starting to feel like such a chore, especially when I've spend the last week just trying to get my robe from +8 to +9 and failing every time. I'm not a hardcore player, I have a full time job and a girlfriend, so I can't play 24/7 to get spam dungeons and enchant. I can only do like 1 or 2 dungeons a day, so that doesn't give me much equipment and money to use for enchanting. I don't care about the loot so much, but the price for Refined Alkahests needs to be half of what it is now, and the chance of successfull enchants at +6 or above needs to be doubled.

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spezz on 06/02/2012, 09:42 PM - view
We get it you want the best everything right now and its just a terrible game because you dont.


Hey look, another one. What is it with you fanboys? Can you even come close to producing a counter argument that isn't some moronic hyperbole laden logical fallacy?

This isn't an issue of didn't get it right now, it's an issue of does this stupid [filtered] really need to take THIS long, and unrewarding?

I mean we get it, you think you're a mature, patient modern gamer because you have tons of free time and don't care, but there is providing a long term goal, and stretching out a flimsy sum of content with stupid mechanics well past the point of enjoyment.

Believe it or not, long term goals CAN be fun. they don't all have to be a joyless, high risk, lazy designed RNG.
Edited by: FiachSidhe 12 months ago
Danuvis Profile Options #9

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Dang, you people are mean. Always throwing hate out at OP and yelling at him to go back to WoW.

Anywho, I must agree with him on many points of having to run a dungeon and not getting any worth wild loot. Or even the fact of running a dungeon AND GETTING NOTING OUT OF IT WHATSOEVER. I mean a badge system of the sort or something would be nice. Getting rep for doing certain dungeons would also be nice.

The game overall just seems a bit mean to some people, and generous to others when it comes to the RNG gods.
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Slubber on 06/02/2012, 09:33 PM - view
If it all dropped first run and there was no enchanting tell me what you would be doing right now?


Right, you probably wouldn't be online as there's nothing left for you to try to accomplish.


I'm not even level 60(58) yet, you people who've been grinding dungeons for 2 weeks are doing it wrong, you're not having fun, you're working.

I've got alts, i've got purely pking alts, I stop grinding quests to PK a little, I talk with people, even set up deathmatches/duels, explore a bit, take some videos, screenshots, etc.

MMO players now just want to race to the finish, that's not how the games were designed and if you play with the mindset you'll get burnt out fast. What happened to enjoying the games? :)


I agree with Slubber, it's why I joined the RP Server. Played many MMOs for endgame content only then get burnt out. Hell, I quit a few games cause the endgame hands you full gear set in 2 runs(Now that is no fun being finished in 2 days). I'm not even started on enchanting, dungeons, ect. My Mystic hit 60 about 3 days ago and I'm not even doing dailies yet.

Taking my time, doing every quest I grab and not rushing, doing some RP and visiting community events. I play at least 12 hours on weekends and 6-8 on weekdays. I played since Open Beta with my Mystic and just hit 60.

I can agree that by the sound of it endgame takes a while but would you rather be done everything 2 days after level cap then quit playing or have end-game last you 6 months til an expansion?
I'd choose 6 months.