Quote: Cede on 06/20/2012, 03:40 PM

Quote: Capsfan on 06/20/2012, 02:03 PM

Quote: Cede on 06/20/2012, 01:46 PM

Quote: Somentine on 06/20/2012, 01:32 PM

Quote: Cede on 06/20/2012, 12:53 PM

if u act like a fool on a thread, ur going to be treated like a fool

Oh God, the irony.





What are you, twelve years old?

run along kid. this thread is for big boys. when u can make big boy poop u can post on this thread. lets get back to the subject now

Yea, because a statement like that is going to make you look like the more mature one here.

What was the subject again? Oh yea, you were upset because Warriors have the abilities of two "specs" even though to be effective at either of them, their glyphs and crystals needed pretty much make them mediocre at the other.

Yes, Warriors have more "options" than the other classes at this point. No, that's not going to change just because you don't agree with it or think it's unfair.

Just because they haven't announced "dual specs" for all the other classes doesn't mean they will never be implemented in the future, it just means that at this point the abilities Warriors use to tank were so closely tied to the abilities they use to DPS that it didn't require much in the way of complexly changing the mechanics of the class in order to facilitate their ability to do both. Not only that, but lets be honest here, this game is not lacking for more DPS (or even Healer) options ATM. Tanks on the other hand are of a much shorter supply, did you really expect them to create a whole new class as opposed to just simply adding on to another one? Somebody was going to draw the longest straw here, it just happened to be the Warriors.

Bottom line, we all knew what we were getting into when we picked our classes, getting upset after the fact is pretty pointless. I'm really not sure what you're hoping to accomplish here.

omg ur so ignorant... i have said numerous times throughout these pages that it would be nice if another or some other class(es) had options along with warrior. warriors can switch between dps and tank, thats fine. leave them the way they are. why would u have a problem with another class having an option as well? whats the big deal? u play warrior and u would feel less special if another class had an option like u do? it wouldnt be hard to give another class an option. maybe mystic, give them 2 stances like warriors have, one for heals, one for dps, make some adjustments to glyphs and boom, mystics have an option. of course over the months problems will be discovered with it and patches will be deployed to fix things as time goes on, which is the way of everything in an mmo anyway. and im not upset about anything lul... i check this topic daily and LOL at some of the crazies i see and the ridiculous things they have to say. and i will continue to enjoy trolling you and them until this thread returns to its original topic, if that even happens =p

Ok, in that mess of rambling I think there might have been a coherent thought, but let me ask again since you apparently are more concerned with belittling people than answering their questions.

What is it exactly you want them to do at this point, less than 2 months after release?

Whether or not you want to admit it, one of the current biggest issues (a much bigger issue than lack of extra DPS or Healers) is that more tanks are needed in the game right now, and Warriors have been considered hybrid tanks for awhile now so naturally it was going to be them that got the ability to serve two roles first. Surely you can understand this and see the rationale behind the Dev's decision to give them this ability.

Also, I do love it when armchair game developers like yourself come in with a simple solution that glosses over the reality of the time and work it takes to implement even the most basic of functions into a massive project such as an MMO. I'm sure someone could take the time to explain it to you, but I'm also sure you wouldn't actually affirm the truth in it so let me save the time and just say: it's not as simple as just throwing some extra abilities and glyphs in. Take a look at the length of time it's taken just to get Warriors to where they wanted them - a class that was already intended to serve that role - if you don't believe me. You keep spouting about how much more mature you are than everyone here but you are essentially displaying the behavior of the younger sibling of a brother or sister who got a shiny new toy before you did. You're making it sound as if Warriors are being treated unfairly just for the hell of it.

There are bigger problems with the game right now than not having dual specs. Should it come eventually? Yes, it would definitely be a welcome addition and no it wouldn't make me feel any less "unspecial" because unlike you I could care less what other classes can or can't do because I'm having fun with mine. Should it be expected that it will absolutely become a feature? No, you rolled your class knowing full and well the capabilities of it before hand, anything added after is just supplementary.

The argument that they shouldn't have damage on Par of other damage dealers is also a bad argument. The reason being that they cannot Tank and DPS. They choose to do one or the other. If they could do both at the same time, then it would be an issue of balance and need to be looked at. As for tanking, if it offers a better reward for skilled play but is harder than Lancer tanking, it is balanced.

Quote: Cede on 06/20/2012, 04:13 PM

Quote: linofer on 06/20/2012, 04:07 PM

dude you are the one who posted the QQ thread.. raging about how good warrior will be and that we have the option of choosing what we want to be.

sry sir but ull have to go to the back of the line with the other crazies. NEXT!

rage is all the same..

ugh... im not wasting anymore of my fingers' energy responding to u crazies. theres just no getting my point across to u. its hopeless for u man. just run along and make room for some ppl who actually have some sense. i refuse to attempt and explain myself yet again

Quote: Capsfan on 06/20/2012, 04:15 PM

Ok, in that mess of rambling I think there might have been a coherent thought, but let me ask again since you apparently are more concerned with belittling people than answering their questions.

What is it exactly you want them to do at this point, less than 2 months after release?

Whether or not you want to admit it, one of the current biggest issues (a much bigger issue than lack of extra DPS or Healers) is that more tanks are needed in the game right now, and Warriors have been considered hybrid tanks for awhile now so naturally it was going to be them that got the ability to serve two roles first. Surely you can understand this and see the rationale behind the Dev's decision to give them this ability.

Also, I do love it when armchair game developers like yourself come in with a simple solution that glosses over the reality of the time and work it takes to implement even the most basic of functions into a massive project such as an MMO. I'm sure someone could take the time to explain it to you, but I'm also sure you wouldn't actually affirm the truth in it so let me save the time and just say: it's not as simple as just throwing some extra abilities and glyphs in. Take a look at the length of time it's taken just to get Warriors to where they wanted them - a class that was already intended to serve that role - if you don't believe me. You keep spouting about how much more mature you are than everyone here but you are essentially acting like the younger sibling of a brother or sister who got a shiny new toy before you did. You're making it sound as if Warriors are being treated unfairly just for the hell of it.

There are bigger problems with the game right now than not having dual specs. Should it come eventually? Yes, it would definitely be a welcome addition and no it wouldn't make me feel any less "unspecial" because unlike you I could care less what other classes can or can't do because I'm having fun with mine. Should it be expected that it will absolutely become a feature? No, you rolled your class knowing full and well the capabilities of it before hand, anything added after is just supplementary.

He has to be a giant troll. No one can be that immature and irrational this consistently. Even someone who is ignorant of the game would be able to see the logic behind the reason for Warrior 'dual spec' just by reading some of the replies.


Giant troll. Also, nicely put.

Quote: linofer on 06/20/2012, 04:20 PM

Quote: Cede on 06/20/2012, 04:13 PM

Quote: linofer on 06/20/2012, 04:07 PM

dude you are the one who posted the QQ thread.. raging about how good warrior will be and that we have the option of choosing what we want to be.

sry sir but ull have to go to the back of the line with the other crazies. NEXT!

rage is all the same..

aw ur so cute in that picture =p

Quote: Cede on 06/20/2012, 04:21 PM

ugh... im not wasting anymore of my fingers' energy responding to u crazies. theres just no getting my point across to u. its hopeless for u man. just run along and make room for some ppl who actually have some sense. i refuse to attempt and explain myself yet again

Okay, bro.

I'll just be over here enjoying my Warrior tank in the rare occasion I use LFD.




If you want I can simulate the previous Queue times and kick you so you get 45-1hr queue times instead of the 20-40 you will be getting. That way it will feel just like before and you won't have to complain.

Quote: Capsfan on 06/20/2012, 04:15 PM

Quote: Cede on 06/20/2012, 03:40 PM

Quote: Capsfan on 06/20/2012, 02:03 PM

Quote: Cede on 06/20/2012, 01:46 PM

Quote: Somentine on 06/20/2012, 01:32 PM

Quote: Cede on 06/20/2012, 12:53 PM

if u act like a fool on a thread, ur going to be treated like a fool

Oh God, the irony.





What are you, twelve years old?

run along kid. this thread is for big boys. when u can make big boy poop u can post on this thread. lets get back to the subject now

Yea, because a statement like that is going to make you look like the more mature one here.

What was the subject again? Oh yea, you were upset because Warriors have the abilities of two "specs" even though to be effective at either of them, their glyphs and crystals needed pretty much make them mediocre at the other.

Yes, Warriors have more "options" than the other classes at this point. No, that's not going to change just because you don't agree with it or think it's unfair.

Just because they haven't announced "dual specs" for all the other classes doesn't mean they will never be implemented in the future, it just means that at this point the abilities Warriors use to tank were so closely tied to the abilities they use to DPS that it didn't require much in the way of complexly changing the mechanics of the class in order to facilitate their ability to do both. Not only that, but lets be honest here, this game is not lacking for more DPS (or even Healer) options ATM. Tanks on the other hand are of a much shorter supply, did you really expect them to create a whole new class as opposed to just simply adding on to another one? Somebody was going to draw the longest straw here, it just happened to be the Warriors.

Bottom line, we all knew what we were getting into when we picked our classes, getting upset after the fact is pretty pointless. I'm really not sure what you're hoping to accomplish here.

omg ur so ignorant... i have said numerous times throughout these pages that it would be nice if another or some other class(es) had options along with warrior. warriors can switch between dps and tank, thats fine. leave them the way they are. why would u have a problem with another class having an option as well? whats the big deal? u play warrior and u would feel less special if another class had an option like u do? it wouldnt be hard to give another class an option. maybe mystic, give them 2 stances like warriors have, one for heals, one for dps, make some adjustments to glyphs and boom, mystics have an option. of course over the months problems will be discovered with it and patches will be deployed to fix things as time goes on, which is the way of everything in an mmo anyway. and im not upset about anything lul... i check this topic daily and LOL at some of the crazies i see and the ridiculous things they have to say. and i will continue to enjoy trolling you and them until this thread returns to its original topic, if that even happens =p

Ok, in that mess of rambling I think there might have been a coherent thought, but let me ask again since you apparently are more concerned with belittling people than answering their questions.

What is it exactly you want them to do at this point, less than 2 months after release?

Whether or not you want to admit it, one of the current biggest issues (a much bigger issue than lack of extra DPS or Healers) is that more tanks are needed in the game right now, and Warriors have been considered hybrid tanks for awhile now so naturally it was going to be them that got the ability to serve two roles first. Surely you can understand this and see the rationale behind the Dev's decision to give them this ability.

Also, I do love it when armchair game developers like yourself come in with a simple solution that glosses over the reality of the time and work it takes to implement even the most basic of functions into a massive project such as an MMO. I'm sure someone could take the time to explain it to you, but I'm also sure you wouldn't actually affirm the truth in it so let me save the time and just say: it's not as simple as just throwing some extra abilities and glyphs in. Take a look at the length of time it's taken just to get Warriors to where they wanted them - a class that was already intended to serve that role - if you don't believe me. You keep spouting about how much more mature you are than everyone here but you are essentially displaying the behavior of the younger sibling of a brother or sister who got a shiny new toy before you did. You're making it sound as if Warriors are being treated unfairly just for the hell of it.

There are bigger problems with the game right now than not having dual specs. Should it come eventually? Yes, it would definitely be a welcome addition and no it wouldn't make me feel any less "unspecial" because unlike you I could care less what other classes can or can't do because I'm having fun with mine. Should it be expected that it will absolutely become a feature? No, you rolled your class knowing full and well the capabilities of it before hand, anything added after is just supplementary.

ugh... im not wasting anymore of my fingers' energy responding to u crazies. theres just no getting my point across to u. its hopeless for u man. just run along and make room for some ppl who actually have some sense. i refuse to attempt and explain myself yet again

Quote: Cede on 06/20/2012, 04:21 PM

Quote: Capsfan on 06/20/2012, 04:15 PM

Quote: Cede on 06/20/2012, 03:40 PM

Quote: Capsfan on 06/20/2012, 02:03 PM

Quote: Cede on 06/20/2012, 01:46 PM

Quote: Somentine on 06/20/2012, 01:32 PM

Quote: Cede on 06/20/2012, 12:53 PM

if u act like a fool on a thread, ur going to be treated like a fool

Oh God, the irony.





What are you, twelve years old?

run along kid. this thread is for big boys. when u can make big boy poop u can post on this thread. lets get back to the subject now

Yea, because a statement like that is going to make you look like the more mature one here.

What was the subject again? Oh yea, you were upset because Warriors have the abilities of two "specs" even though to be effective at either of them, their glyphs and crystals needed pretty much make them mediocre at the other.

Yes, Warriors have more "options" than the other classes at this point. No, that's not going to change just because you don't agree with it or think it's unfair.

Just because they haven't announced "dual specs" for all the other classes doesn't mean they will never be implemented in the future, it just means that at this point the abilities Warriors use to tank were so closely tied to the abilities they use to DPS that it didn't require much in the way of complexly changing the mechanics of the class in order to facilitate their ability to do both. Not only that, but lets be honest here, this game is not lacking for more DPS (or even Healer) options ATM. Tanks on the other hand are of a much shorter supply, did you really expect them to create a whole new class as opposed to just simply adding on to another one? Somebody was going to draw the longest straw here, it just happened to be the Warriors.

Bottom line, we all knew what we were getting into when we picked our classes, getting upset after the fact is pretty pointless. I'm really not sure what you're hoping to accomplish here.

omg ur so ignorant... i have said numerous times throughout these pages that it would be nice if another or some other class(es) had options along with warrior. warriors can switch between dps and tank, thats fine. leave them the way they are. why would u have a problem with another class having an option as well? whats the big deal? u play warrior and u would feel less special if another class had an option like u do? it wouldnt be hard to give another class an option. maybe mystic, give them 2 stances like warriors have, one for heals, one for dps, make some adjustments to glyphs and boom, mystics have an option. of course over the months problems will be discovered with it and patches will be deployed to fix things as time goes on, which is the way of everything in an mmo anyway. and im not upset about anything lul... i check this topic daily and LOL at some of the crazies i see and the ridiculous things they have to say. and i will continue to enjoy trolling you and them until this thread returns to its original topic, if that even happens =p

Ok, in that mess of rambling I think there might have been a coherent thought, but let me ask again since you apparently are more concerned with belittling people than answering their questions.

What is it exactly you want them to do at this point, less than 2 months after release?

Whether or not you want to admit it, one of the current biggest issues (a much bigger issue than lack of extra DPS or Healers) is that more tanks are needed in the game right now, and Warriors have been considered hybrid tanks for awhile now so naturally it was going to be them that got the ability to serve two roles first. Surely you can understand this and see the rationale behind the Dev's decision to give them this ability.

Also, I do love it when armchair game developers like yourself come in with a simple solution that glosses over the reality of the time and work it takes to implement even the most basic of functions into a massive project such as an MMO. I'm sure someone could take the time to explain it to you, but I'm also sure you wouldn't actually affirm the truth in it so let me save the time and just say: it's not as simple as just throwing some extra abilities and glyphs in. Take a look at the length of time it's taken just to get Warriors to where they wanted them - a class that was already intended to serve that role - if you don't believe me. You keep spouting about how much more mature you are than everyone here but you are essentially displaying the behavior of the younger sibling of a brother or sister who got a shiny new toy before you did. You're making it sound as if Warriors are being treated unfairly just for the hell of it.

There are bigger problems with the game right now than not having dual specs. Should it come eventually? Yes, it would definitely be a welcome addition and no it wouldn't make me feel any less "unspecial" because unlike you I could care less what other classes can or can't do because I'm having fun with mine. Should it be expected that it will absolutely become a feature? No, you rolled your class knowing full and well the capabilities of it before hand, anything added after is just supplementary.

ugh... im not wasting anymore of my fingers' energy responding to u crazies. theres just no getting my point across to u. its hopeless for u man. just run along and make room for some ppl who actually have some sense. i refuse to attempt and explain myself yet again

That's what I thought, you can't even answer a simple question.

Consistently feigning annoyance at people not getting your "point" as ruse just because you don't agree with their opinion but have no real response is not the same as explaining yourself.

Quote: Somentine on 06/20/2012, 04:08 PM

The argument that they shouldn't have damage on Par of other damage dealers is also a bad argument. The reason being that they cannot Tank and DPS. They choose to do one or the other. If they could do both at the same time, then it would be an issue of balance and need to be looked at. As for tanking, if it offers a better reward for skilled play but is harder than Lancer tanking, it is balanced.

It is a very valid argument. Because if a generalist can do a job just as well as a specialized class, there is no reason beyond aesthetics to choose the specialized class.

The trade off, and hence balance, is that specialized class can only do that specific thing - and does it well.

In any large enough population you will start seeing a massive influx of that specific job - because it performs just a well as either - even if part time.

As for taking more skill, it takes more skill. It does not take tons more skill. The true difficulty of Warrior Tank vs Lancer Tank is the room for error. Warrior Tank need to anticipate the monster moves while the Lancer can react to the monster's moves (Anticipation is still better, but they have more tolerance to react instead). It however is not a dramatic difference in skill level to justify the same level of performance.

If you want to argue it take extreme skill to get to the same result (e.g. monster does not turn, maximize the DPS' damage by exposing rare and minimizing movement) then you are right. But to just tank a mob to the point that no one gets hurt and you take minimum damage is not difficult enough to balance it if they are just as good as tank and just as good as DPS as specialized classes.