ugh... im not wasting anymore of my fingers' energy responding to u crazies. theres just no getting my point across to u. its hopeless for u man. just run along and make room for some ppl who actually have some sense. i refuse to attempt and explain myself yet again
Okay, bro.
I'll just be over here enjoying my Warrior tank in the rare occasion I use LFD.
If you want I can simulate the previous Queue times and kick you so you get 45-1hr queue times instead of the 20-40 you will be getting. That way it will feel just like before and you won't have to complain.
The irony, once again.
You really cannot be anything other than a troll. No one can be this stupid, it just isn't possible.
Also, your insults are terrible. If you are going to try to belittle someone you should attack their sense of self; their main point of their ego.
Protip: Mine is my superiority over inferior humans, such as yourself.
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11 months ago
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So what you're essentially saying is that everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion is crazy and "doesn't get it"?
And no, your original post doesn't even come close to answering my question as the entire post is purely your opinion on what the patch is going to do (not to mention has speculation and misinformation thrown into it).
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11 months ago
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Fist of all, your example doesn't work because the GP can also choose to specialize. You can't just pick up tanking with a Warrior, you need experience. So what you have is a GP who also has a specialization.
Not familiar with MMO Lingo, do you mean good player?
Make sense? I have to be able to do two things, though I will give you that DPS as ANY class is not difficult.
It makes as much sense as to say I can give the medic in Team Fortress a Machine Gun, and let him build turrets as well. Because the player has to learn those skills, and there for it takes more skill, and there for it is balanced?
Guess what though, you won't have people playing Heavy and Engineers anymore. You will just have Medic players who spec differently.
Your statement about Warriors tanking not being harder is completely off base though. Hardmodes are not forgiving like normals. They can do it, but it takes twice the precision and effort than a Lancer. That isn't even including keeping the mob still. By you logic, a Slayer could tank if it could hold aggro, even if it is constantly moving the boss around in circles or all over the room. It simply doesn't work that way.
So you view that it is balanced because it has relevance to the Hard Mode of the Game at the every end? Wheres the first 59.9999 level performance does not matter?
As for Slayer tanking, if they *could* tank then it would be unbalanced. But they cannot. They take too much damage and have to little aggro generating abilities. The same is berserker, I have tanked with berserker, they simply cannot hold aggro. Tanking is not just about avoiding damage. It involves keeping it away from other people. Which I mentioned in my original post.
And once again, it all boils down to balance. If there is no reason to take a lancer at any point in the game, then Warrior will be nerfed. That does not mean that they should not be on par with Lancer as tank or any other damage dealer when in DPS mode.
Which is true. Which is why there is speculation. If they are equally good at both (and DPS can be done quite easily) then there will be a influx of nothing but warriors - because they are now the better class. They are as good DPS as Slayer/Berzerker (for same of argument, they are not right now) and they have the *option* to tank possibly just as well as Lancers.
At that point they will either be nerfed or everyone else will be boosted.
ugh... im not wasting anymore of my fingers' energy responding to u crazies. theres just no getting my point across to u. its hopeless for u man. just run along and make room for some ppl who actually have some sense. i refuse to attempt and explain myself yet again
Okay, bro.
I'll just be over here enjoying my Warrior tank in the rare occasion I use LFD.
If you want I can simulate the previous Queue times and kick you so you get 45-1hr queue times instead of the 20-40 you will be getting. That way it will feel just like before and you won't have to complain.
The irony, once again.
You really cannot be anything other than a troll. No one can be this stupid, it just isn't possible.
Also, your insults are terrible. If you are going to try to belittle someone you should attack their sense of self; their main point of their ego.
Protip: Mine is my superiority over inferior humans, such as yourself.
ur living proof that it is possible lol. and if u feel superior over anyone other than an insect, then its all in your head buddy
So what you're essentially saying is that everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion is crazy and "doesn't get it"?
And no, your original post doesn't even come close to answering my question as the entire post is purely your opinion on what the patch is going to do (not to mention has speculation and misinformation thrown into it).
my opinion is this:
warriors have the convenience of switching roles, and theyre the only melee class that has that luxury
easy fix that really no one has any justification in disagreeing with : give a ranged class an option of roles as well, such as mystic for example. let them be dps or healers
result : now there is 1 melee class with an option, and 1 ranged class with an option. this way no matter if ur a ranged player or a melee player, if u like to have options then you have a class to roll.
get it?
i swear if after this explanation i get another "warriors arent op blah blah blah" response my head will explode!
So what you're essentially saying is that everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion is crazy and "doesn't get it"?
And no, your original post doesn't even come close to answering my question as the entire post is purely your opinion on what the patch is going to do (not to mention has speculation and misinformation thrown into it).
my opinion is this:
warriors have the convenience of switching roles, and theyre the only melee class that has that luxury
easy fix that really no one has any justification in disagreeing with : give a ranged class an option of roles as well, such as mystic for example. let them be dps or healers
result : now there is 1 melee class with an option, and 1 ranged class with an option. this way no matter if ur a ranged player or a melee player, if u like to have options then you have a class to roll.
get it?
i swear if after this explanation i get another "warriors arent op blah blah blah" response my head will explode!
No one is disagreeing with you that it would be a good thing to have more options for other classes as well, what we are saying is there are bigger issues in the game that need to be addressed before the Devs go handing out new abilities to classes just because they don't want them to feel left out and the changes to the Warriors aren't something that are being done for no reason. Do you not understand how the Warrior changes will benefit everyone trying to find groups, not just Warriors themselves? Surely you can see the parallel between that and giving a class extra abilities just for the sake of giving them options.
And at the risk of making your head explode, I wouldn't consider Warriors to be OP at all. They are serviceable at both of their roles but I definitely wouldn't consider them to be the best at either of them.
2. You are using an example that allows the player to do both at once. A Warrior cannot tank AND dps at the same time. So this example is bad and doesn't hold any weight at all to what we are talking about. Before you even try to say that it is similar, let me once again point out that you are using an example where the medic is doing all three things at once. The ABILITY to choose between what you do is not the same as being able to do them both at once. Ya dig?
As for 'spec', if it is the EXACT SAME as the other classes, there is no need for the other class at all. So that is a moot point aswell.
3. I used hardmode because most people are geared out by now and for most of the levels, Warriors are missing skills. Also, if neither matters than what is there to complain about? It wouldn't matter if the Warrior or Lancer were better because it would be so easy that a hamster could do it.
As for the slayer part you not only missed the part where I said that if the Slayer could hold aggro, but you also missed the point of it; that just because a class can keep aggro and avoid damage doesn't make them a good tank. A 60 archer could hold aggro on a bam for a lvl 58 slayer, while kiting it and possibly taking no damage. Does that mean that the archer is a tank to? The art of tanking is in the ability to keep yourself from taking unnecessary damage, holding the mob in place and working around the mechanics of the encounter.
4. There may be an influx of Warriors. What is your point? Other classes will be able to do the same damage too, but they will do it differently... isn't that the whole point of playing another class to begin with?
As long as all classes are relatively equal, you won't fall into that example you made of everyone rolling Warrior.
See? All about balance. Balance the class and you won't have the majority of people complaining.
What this also fails to do is acknowledge the people who rolled Warrior to either Tank or DPS rather than both. If you completely kill the DPS side in favour of Tank, people will complain; and vise versa.