Quote: Cede on 06/19/2012, 07:27 AM

I don't like the idea that warriors are the only class in the game that have a role option. If they have an option, the other classes should too, or at least some of the other classes. Or if the other classes don't have an option, warriors shouldn't either. It's only fair. I mean when warriors have block they're going to be living it up. They'll queue as tank to receive instant queues to make their lives much easier, and on top of that, when they pvp they can switch to a dps pvp build and rape some face. This is a great opportunity that a lancer will never experience. And I definitely don't like the idea of a dps warrior using dodge and block in pvp. Guess I'll just have to see for myself how OP it is when it comes out. The main point is though, they have an option, dps or tank. No other class has an option. That's pretty unbalanced. Anyone's thoughts on this?

It's only unbalanced if they can do both at once. A hybrid class can be balanced. Hybrid SPECS cannot. If players truly feel it's unfair that Warriors get two different roles, the only change I would support is tying certain glyphs to the different stances (like having +damage glyphs only apply while in Assault Stance, and certain defensive glyphs only apply while in Defensive Stance.)

Not that I think even that is needed. Currenlty, at end-game a Warrior doesn't have enough glyph points to be viable at both tanking and DPS at the same time, and they have to reglyph again for PvP. Warriors also aren't going to stay competitive as a tank using gear with DPS stats on it, or stay competitive as DPS using gear with tanking stats on it. They can perform in multiple roles, but at a cost to them, in the form of reglyphing every time they switch roles, and acquiring multiple sets of gear.

-Travail.

Quote: Travail on 06/19/2012, 08:08 PM

Quote: Cede on 06/19/2012, 07:27 AM

I don't like the idea that warriors are the only class in the game that have a role option. If they have an option, the other classes should too, or at least some of the other classes. Or if the other classes don't have an option, warriors shouldn't either. It's only fair. I mean when warriors have block they're going to be living it up. They'll queue as tank to receive instant queues to make their lives much easier, and on top of that, when they pvp they can switch to a dps pvp build and rape some face. This is a great opportunity that a lancer will never experience. And I definitely don't like the idea of a dps warrior using dodge and block in pvp. Guess I'll just have to see for myself how OP it is when it comes out. The main point is though, they have an option, dps or tank. No other class has an option. That's pretty unbalanced. Anyone's thoughts on this?

It's only unbalanced if they can do both at once. A hybrid class can be balanced. Hybrid SPECS cannot. If players truly feel it's unfair that Warriors get two different roles, the only change I would support is tying certain glyphs to the different stances (like having +damage glyphs only apply while in Assault Stance, and certain defensive glyphs only apply while in Defensive Stance.)

Not that I think even that is needed. Currenlty, at end-game a Warrior doesn't have enough glyph points to be viable at both tanking and DPS at the same time, and they have to reglyph again for PvP. Warriors also aren't going to stay competitive as a tank using gear with DPS stats on it, or stay competitive as DPS using gear with tanking stats on it. They can perform in multiple roles, but at a cost to them, in the form of reglyphing every time they switch roles, and acquiring multiple sets of gear.

-Travail.

try not to misunderstand. you see, the "unbalance" that i mention isnt to say warrior are op or any more or less effective in pve or pvp than any other class. the fact that they can choose between 2 roles can or cannot be looked at as a plus side in any given situation. but no matter how u look at it, it is definitely a convenience, and a luxury that other classes should have available to them as well. maybe not every class, but at least more than just 1. im sure many would agree with me.

dont get me wrong, im not saying that warriors should be nerfe or their tanking capabilities taken away, im simply saying that other classes should be awarded some options too. i mean cmon...

8 classes. 7 out of 8 are stuck like chuck in their role. warriors have an option. there should be at least one ranged class that has an option as well. something like that would make more sense to me.

i understand that some players prolly dont want an option. they have their role and they want to stick to it. those players can pick wtvr class they want, but some players like to change things up as they play to keep it fresh. melee players like this can roll warrior. but what about a ranged player who like change? guess theyre [filtered] outta luck kus all ranged and all melee side from warrior have 1 role, take it or leave it

i think the game would be much more interesting and fun than it already is if more players had the option to change the scenery here and there

No one is complaining a Warrior can be a Tank class. Let them be, afterall we need more Tank for dungeon que and to make life easier.

The main problem is that Warrior are Evasion Tank and they get block! The Description say that Warrior are Evasion tank with DPS, they can Tank but it will be hard. So why give them block? It make Warrior easier to play and tank. Beat the purpose of Evasion Tank.

Give them less cool down on Dodge, more Evasion skill. Let them jump around like a Monkey, it's how they role.


So now the problem is Warrior can DPS, block like berserker, and can even provoke. It is unfair and unbalance in my opinions.

New Warrior Skills

Cross Defend

Cross your swords to defend yourself from incoming frontal attacks. The maximum damage value that can be blocked depends on your equipment. Skill is used just like the Lancer’s blocking skill, as long as you keep pressing the button, you will block.




Smoke Aggressor ( Provoke, taunt )

Summon a spirit from 15 meters that takes over your aggro and you stab the target in the back stunning it briefly.




Rupture

Rotate your body and swing your blades at the enemy. Rupture uses the stacks to explode and debuff the target, debuffed enemies will take 25% more damage. The skill needs 5 stacks to be used, the more stacks you have the more damage you can make.




And what Lancer get? A stupid useless backstep!

Classes are so unbalanced in this game. I heard they did a stress test where a skilled lancer fought a skilled warrior or a slayer; and 90% of the times, the skilled lancer lost. The stress test just proves that the lancer class is underpowered. This is why I get so pissed off when I hear a stupid warrior or stupid slayer say ''get better'' after they defeated me in pvp. These are the same ppl that say ''lancer is a failed pvp class'' and ''it's so easy to get behind a lancer and kill them''. ''Get better'' my a**, you OP piece of sh**. It doesn't take any skill to play a warrior or slayer. All you have to do is just mash your keyboard and you win.

I'm a lancer and I am so F***ING pissed right now that I will probably rage quit. Warriors are already OP at 60. (1) Their movement and attack speed are faster than any other classes. (2) They can also stun you from a few feet away. A warrior stunned me out of nowhere and got my health down to 50%. When his stun effect wore off, (3) his attack speed prevented me from moving. I had 60k health and I was killed within a couple of seconds. These new skills will make them even more OP.

Classes are so unbalanced in this game. I heard they did a stress test where a skilled lancer fought a skilled warrior or a slayer; and 90% of the times, the skilled lancer lost. The stress test just proves that the lancer class is underpowered.

This is why I get so pissed off when I hear a stupid warrior or stupid slayer say ''get better'' after they defeated me in pvp. These are the same ppl that say ''lancer is a failed pvp class'' and ''it's so easy to get behind a lancer and kill them''. ''Get better'' my a**, you OP piece of sh**. It doesn't take any skill to play a warrior or slayer. All you have to do is just mash your keyboard and you win.

I'm a lancer and I am so F***ING pissed right now that I will probably rage quit. Warriors are already OP at 60. Their movement and attack speed are faster than any other classes. They can also stun you from a few feet away. A warrior stunned me out of nowhere and got my health down to 50%. When his stun effect wore off, his attack speed prevented me from moving. I had 60k health and I was killed within a couple of seconds. These new skills will make them even more OP.

Classes are so unbalanced in this game. I heard they did a stress test where a skilled lancer fought a skilled warrior or a slayer; and 90% of the times, the skilled lancer lost. The stress test just proves that the lancer class is underpowered. This is why I get so pissed off when I hear a stupid warrior or stupid slayer say ''get better'' after they defeated me in pvp. These are the same ppl that say ''lancer is a failed pvp class'' and ''it's so easy to get behind a lancer and kill them''. ''Get better'' my a**, you OP piece of sh**. It doesn't take any skill to play a warrior or slayer. All you have to do is just mash your keyboard and you win.