Because a warrior can't tank a HM without being bodied constantly. Unless the group is comprised of 3 ranged dps.

That being said, it isn't even due to the fact that the players aren't highly skilled. It is due to the cd on evasive roll in comparison to block.

Quote: Somentine on 05/09/2012, 03:07 PM

Because a warrior can't tank a HM without being bodied constantly. Unless the group is comprised of 3 ranged dps.

That being said, it isn't even due to the fact that the players aren't highly skilled. It is due to the cd on evasive roll in comparison to block.

Completely and utterly false. Please know a class before you talk about it. Evasive roll isn't even the main source of invulnerability for Warriors. It's Death from Above.

And in KTERA, Warriors are taken over Lancers for several Hardmodes because the Bosses of those HMs pierce a Lancer's block. And Lancers have no idea how to cope with that since they've spent the last 59 levels holding Right click. Warriors are perfectly capable of tanking HMs without being babied. The videos are available if you don't believe it.

Quote: Hampy on 05/09/2012, 02:42 PM

Why do you think warriors are getting a buff? Because they are inferior and cry like little girls cause they aren't as awesome as Lancers. They are support dps/offtank.. Next thing you know, Mystics will start [filtered]ing that their thralls can't tank as good as a Lancer.. "WHAAAAAAA WE CAN'T TANK... WHAAAAAAAAAAA! WE NEED BUFFS! KILL WHITEY!"

Bigger question is, why are you crying?

The main reasons Lancers loose treat is because it's either the boss's personality, or because the party doesn't really need the lancer's treat.

The #1 reason lancers loose threat is from knock down and stuns. A higher level party will be doing significantly more prones and stun sucesses to the boss, and theirfore not only does the lancer not do DPS/shield counter/ (too far) and generally waste blocking motions/ higher DD, but it boils down to (they don't even need a full time tank in those situations)

That doesn't means the lancer is not effective, it just means tactics change. That's when a warrior might be better, but then, a warrior make life miserable for the PT even if they are out powering the boss.

Lancers are still given massive amounts of CC and positioning skills that make life easier for the pt in those trick boss scenerios.

the #2 reason a lancer looses aggo is because the boss behaves like that. That nice burning circle is right on you but the boss is attacking everyone else. Yes it happens it's just like that. Same with BAM sucide tactic that will reset aggro at less then 10%.

a distant 3rd is because DPS are stacking rear/crt/boss crystals that are made super effective by the lancer stone walling more effective when literally a lancer pinned to the wall makes it the greatest thing for dps, because all they see is a giant DPS fest. Though the lancer is having super problems pinned to a wall and not being able to see any real animations due to the clipping, and can only rely on clues to keep hate.

(a side note is that many experiance or perhaps wary lancers hold back certain skills for emergencies. Leash/master for instance produces a lot of threat, but I almost always hold it back unless there is a very familar members on the team. Leash is the last defense in any "oh crap" situations and I rather have a slight lost in threat then have it on CD)

Ya asking any warrior that tries to wall tank is to laugh at you. Lancers though, while they hate it, knows it produces massively high DPS if sustained.

war's have no place theorically in being a main tank, as they are often more oriented to an off tank, but considering the level scaling and animation memorization, they can produce amazing results.

Still, the biggest issues are always usually related to LFD. when you have a under leveled tank and a over leveled DPS, or a over leveled tank and an under leveled DPS, or some weird combinations of the level spread, you get weird results.

ex: an under leveled tank is being hit like a truck, and an over level DPS is just out classing it, but then the healer heals the tank, and then chases the healer, but the DPS even with their threat is still 2nd to healing = a big circle run.

ex2: A over leveled tank is yawning while the under leveled DPS are producing slow results, leading to boss +spawns that would otherwise be an easy hiccup become healer bait, and the tank watching everything crumble around the party except him.

theorically, lancer > war. Realistically crap happens.

Quote: Somentine on 05/09/2012, 03:02 PM

Quote: Hampy on 05/09/2012, 02:42 PM

Why do you think warriors are getting a buff? Because they are inferior and cry like little girls cause they aren't as awesome as Lancers. They are support dps/offtank.. Next thing you know, Mystics will start [filtered]ing that their thralls can't tank as good as a Lancer.. "WHAAAAAAA WE CAN'T TANK... WHAAAAAAAAAAA! WE NEED BUFFS! KILL WHITEY!"

Bigger question is, why are you crying?

You clearly didn't read my post. It's not ME "crying". It's the sorry [filtered] warrior's who can't tank as well as Lancer who are crying, HENCE THE INCOMING BUFF TO WARS IN UPCOMING PATCH to "make them better because they whine and cry about how much warriors suck at the moment." I'm happy with Lancer and my tanking abilities. I'm just sick to death of hearing about this [filtered].

(a side note is that many experiance or perhaps wary lancers hold back certain skills for emergencies. Leash/master for instance produces a lot of threat, but I almost always hold it back unless there is a very familar members on the team. Leash is the last defense in any "oh crap" situations and I rather have a slight lost in threat then have it on CD)