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Munchkin on 05/20/2012, 11:00 PM - view
This is exactly why I wont be continuing my subscription. There is a reason wow stopped with raid bosses dropping spell tomes for top level spells and required spells.
It sours the experience getting to level 60 to find out "Oh yeah, your not a complete level 60 yet, you need to run this mindless dungeon over and over again".
You can say these glyphs are optional, but they are not. When you are wiping in other dungeons because you don't have them and people start kicking you out of parties when they find out you do not have them, they are no longer optional.
Thank you for writing all these down OP. Hopefully they make changes to the game and get rid of TOT entirely. Or at least make the master glyphs purchasable with gold.
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*Temple of Temerity*
Temple of Temerity is a "new" instance added in the last patch. The reason I have new in quotes is because, of course, it is not new. It has been in K-Tera for a while, but was not added to our release. This is because it is a level 58 instance that was "re-tuned" by EME for level 60 players. I don't have a problem with this, just don't expect me to be a stupid sheep and thank the gods for new content when it was just denied content.
Moving on. Temple of Temerity, or ToT, is where you can get your masterwork glyphs. Masterwork glyphs consist of about half completely new glyphs, and half existing glyphs that cost one less glyph point. They are a great upgrade for your character, just as good as any new piece of gear you may acquire. While you don't HAVE to get these glyphs, you are gimping your character if you do not.
In ToT, the objective is to defend a crystal from waves of monsters, as well as fight three boss monsters that show up throughout the 20 minute encounter. Each person can only fight one of the boss monsters, so you need at least one person to solo one boss within 3 minutes. The lockout is 2 hours with a full group, and 1 hour if you que. Every run you get 3 "practicum badges" and if you defeat all 3 boss monsters you get 3 "dire badges".
These badges are used to purchase the masterwork glyphs you need, but are used in two different ways. You need 60 dire badges to pick and choose one glyph to buy. You need 15 practicum badges to purchase one glyph box. A glyph box states that it will give you a random class glyph. Not bad, right? Not so fast. These are troll glyph boxes. They have a chance to drop 3 white alkahest, a green identification scroll, or a glyph that you already have or of course don't want. You read that right. I said 3 white alkahest.
So how many times will you have to run this instance? I myself need 4 glyphs. Many other guildies I have spoken to require up to 6. So let's say 5. That means to pick and choose those 5 glyphs, you will need to run ToT 100 times, and that's getting a perfect run every time. You will not get a perfect run every time. Since the lockout is 2 hours, any sane person will grab 3 other guildies and que up the 5th. This means a random will be in charge of soloing, duoing, or trio-ing a boss down within 3 minutes. Good luck with that. If you factor in the practicum badges for the random glyph boxes, you will likely lower those 100 runs down, but I cannot say for sure since it's all RNG. If I had to guess, I'd say with half of your runs being perfect, along with decent RNG "skills", you will need to run this instance 50-60 times.
And I'm not even going to mention that ToT is small, boring, and extremely laggy. Remember your very first instance on the isle of dawn? With the Baraka priest healing you and stuff? This instance is half that size. I have had multiple guildies quit Tera over this instance. The insane grind is disproportionate to the rewards offered. And the troll boxes will make you pull your hair out.
This is exactly why I wont be continuing my subscription. There is a reason wow stopped with raid bosses dropping spell tomes for top level spells and required spells.
It sours the experience getting to level 60 to find out "Oh yeah, your not a complete level 60 yet, you need to run this mindless dungeon over and over again".
You can say these glyphs are optional, but they are not. When you are wiping in other dungeons because you don't have them and people start kicking you out of parties when they find out you do not have them, they are no longer optional.
Thank you for writing all these down OP. Hopefully they make changes to the game and get rid of TOT entirely. Or at least make the master glyphs purchasable with gold.
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Well I will definitely have to see these endgame shenanigans myself, but from what is sounds like; it seems like an absolute and horrible mess.
I hope EME adjusts this before us slowbie levelers get up there, because I really don't think people will be sticking around to do a second job that's supposed to be their game. I already know scores of people that quit WoW over that feeling.
I hope EME adjusts this before us slowbie levelers get up there, because I really don't think people will be sticking around to do a second job that's supposed to be their game. I already know scores of people that quit WoW over that feeling.
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LittleIcebreaker on 06/12/2012, 04:35 PM - view
WoW a 2nd job LOL how?
Well I will definitely have to see these endgame shenanigans myself, but from what is sounds like; it seems like an absolute and horrible mess.
I hope EME adjusts this before us slowbie levelers get up there, because I really don't think people will be sticking around to do a second job that's supposed to be their game. I already know scores of people that quit WoW over that feeling.
WoW a 2nd job LOL how?
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Anaxie on 06/12/2012, 04:42 PM - view
Not everyone has the same gaming practices as you do. Imagine that, variety amongst our peers. Some people like to enjoy a game, not have to view it as scheduled work (in other words grinding over and over and over and over again just to get to the second step of grinding over and etc).
Implementing content that is challenging, offers reward for your time, and continues the enjoyment of the game you purchased for fun in the first place... now that is a billion dollar idea.
LittleIcebreaker on 06/12/2012, 04:35 PMWell I will definitely have to see these endgame shenanigans myself, but from what is sounds like; it seems like an absolute and horrible mess.
I hope EME adjusts this before us slowbie levelers get up there, because I really don't think people will be sticking around to do a second job that's supposed to be their game. I already know scores of people that quit WoW over that feeling.
WoW a 2nd job LOL how?
Not everyone has the same gaming practices as you do. Imagine that, variety amongst our peers. Some people like to enjoy a game, not have to view it as scheduled work (in other words grinding over and over and over and over again just to get to the second step of grinding over and etc).
Implementing content that is challenging, offers reward for your time, and continues the enjoyment of the game you purchased for fun in the first place... now that is a billion dollar idea.
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LittleIcebreaker on 06/12/2012, 04:49 PM - view
I think you misunderstand I raid 1 hour a week and play less then 4 hours weekly. I gave up on Tera because as a game to play alone with other MMOS it isn't friendly since it's gold farmer delux http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/antonidas/Anaxie/simple
If WoW was a full time job to the people you knew they were playing it wrong or obsessivly because to own every single thing in the game and accomplsh everything it takes little playtime.
Anaxie on 06/12/2012, 04:42 PMLittleIcebreaker on 06/12/2012, 04:35 PMWell I will definitely have to see these endgame shenanigans myself, but from what is sounds like; it seems like an absolute and horrible mess.
I hope EME adjusts this before us slowbie levelers get up there, because I really don't think people will be sticking around to do a second job that's supposed to be their game. I already know scores of people that quit WoW over that feeling.
WoW a 2nd job LOL how?
Not everyone has the same gaming practices as you do. Imagine that, variety amongst our peers. Some people like to enjoy a game, not have to view it as scheduled work (in other words grinding over and over and over and over again just to get to the second step of grinding over and etc).
Implementing content that is challenging, offers reward for your time, and continues the enjoyment of the game you purchased for fun in the first place... now that is a billion dollar idea.
I think you misunderstand I raid 1 hour a week and play less then 4 hours weekly. I gave up on Tera because as a game to play alone with other MMOS it isn't friendly since it's gold farmer delux http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/antonidas/Anaxie/simple
If WoW was a full time job to the people you knew they were playing it wrong or obsessivly because to own every single thing in the game and accomplsh everything it takes little playtime.
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@Anaxie,
You may be very correct in your assumption of my friends and those I know that have stated that same point. They may have obsessed over WoW and disregarded the appropriate pace of playing to continue to find enjoyment in the game.
However, WoW's very design (at least back when I played in WotLK) was to get armor, to get armor, to get armor to play endgame. It wasn't a very creative environment for being at the top of a game. I can't really fault WoW for that, because that design was the basis of the entire game.
I can point out these flaws for Tera, because I feel there are still opportunities to turn this game around before the final nails are hammered in place if you get my meaning.
I agree Tera feels very grindy, and I respect your decision for giving up on this game. I still hope by pointing out these very hefty flaws it can provide opportunity for positive growth within this game.
You may be very correct in your assumption of my friends and those I know that have stated that same point. They may have obsessed over WoW and disregarded the appropriate pace of playing to continue to find enjoyment in the game.
However, WoW's very design (at least back when I played in WotLK) was to get armor, to get armor, to get armor to play endgame. It wasn't a very creative environment for being at the top of a game. I can't really fault WoW for that, because that design was the basis of the entire game.
I can point out these flaws for Tera, because I feel there are still opportunities to turn this game around before the final nails are hammered in place if you get my meaning.
I agree Tera feels very grindy, and I respect your decision for giving up on this game. I still hope by pointing out these very hefty flaws it can provide opportunity for positive growth within this game.
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LittleIcebreaker on 06/12/2012, 04:59 PM - view The only time WoW ever required alot of playtime was Vanilla, WotLK was extremely forgiving.
@Anaxie,
You may be very correct in your assumption of my friends and those I know that have stated that same point. They may have obsessed over WoW and disregarded the appropriate pace of playing to continue to find enjoyment in the game.
However, WoW's very design (at least back when I played in WotLK) was to get armor, to get armor, to get armor to play endgame. It wasn't a very creative environment for being at the top of a game. I can't really fault WoW for that, because that design was the basis of the entire game.
I can point out these flaws for Tera, because I feel there are still opportunities to turn this game around before the final nails are hammered in place if you get my meaning.
I agree Tera feels very grindy, and I respect your decision for giving up on this game. I still hope by pointing out these very hefty flaws it can provide opportunity for positive growth within this game.
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Anaxie on 06/12/2012, 05:01 PM - view
What about BC? BC was very grindy. Attunements, gear checks, resistance gear checks.... checks.
The only time WoW ever required alot of playtime was Vanilla, WotLK was extremely forgiving.
What about BC? BC was very grindy. Attunements, gear checks, resistance gear checks.... checks.
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LittleIcebreaker on 06/12/2012, 04:35 PM - view
This. My slow leveling is due to being an altoholic, but from everything I've been reading about end game if that's what it's like for one character I can't even imagine attempting it on multiple ones.
Well I will definitely have to see these endgame shenanigans myself, but from what is sounds like; it seems like an absolute and horrible mess.
I hope EME adjusts this before us slowbie levelers get up there, because I really don't think people will be sticking around to do a second job that's supposed to be their game.
This. My slow leveling is due to being an altoholic, but from everything I've been reading about end game if that's what it's like for one character I can't even imagine attempting it on multiple ones.