Who Agrees that the Cash Shop needs to go?

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gezodiac on 07/05/2012, 04:25 PM - view
This is laughable, demanding fluff as if it were content but saying content in a different game is not mandatory, your opinion changes far too much.



/e and also lets not lose sight of gw2 having a cash shop that sells benefits!


The problem is you do Not Understand what an expansion is. And yoiu are In denial if you think that when Guild wars 2, comes out with it's first expansion...In about ayear's time... Tera will not also come out with it's expansion. The difference here is.... all I am paying for in the Gw2 expansion... is the price of that expansion.... Tera will be charging the price for the expansion..but also charging you a Monthly...and cash shop fees for your cash shop purchases.

In other words... Gw2... you pay for the game, then have zero monthly so the cash shop is 100 % justified, then you have occasional expansions...also justified because..THERE IS NO MONTHLY.

ALSO.. everything that will be in the cash shop will be available In game.

With tera... you NOT only have a cash shop...selling CS exclusive items NOT available Purely through game play, you also have an extra 108 bucks in Monthly fees at the end of the year.... and... also pay for the expansion at the end of the year. If you cannot wrap your head around why gw2 is different, then I am afraid i don't Know how else to explain it. It appears you are simply being deliberately obtuse, and disingenuous simply because you refuse to see How gw2, is treating IT's cash shop...very differently.... on top of the NO monrthly thing...

anything you can buy on the cash shop is avalable through in game play.,.... In a free2play game.... is way better than a subscription based game witgh a cash shop selling CS exclusive items.

not sure How Much clearer I can be.
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IS it true EME will be selling the expansion? If so where is this stated? I also agree that paying a sub + items only obtained from cash shop is not a model I support.
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Tyranei on 07/05/2012, 07:33 AM - view
ReiKoji on 07/05/2012, 01:33 AM
I agree it does, but it wont. EmE needs the extra money from those willing to waste it.

They need something in place for the 'Future of TERA' anyways, might as well have it prepped and ready.

Name one instance of a cash shop implementation positively affecting the quality of a game. Every experience I've had with cash shops has been a negative impact on the game. Yes, other MMOs have cash shop, namely WoW. However WoW had a vast amount of content and mounts available to the players before the added a cash shop. Tera has no such freedoms, it was only a month old for NA when they released their cash shop. Hell, even if you based it on KR's release it would still be premature to release a cash shop.

If I looked back about a year from now when CCP announced they would be adding cash shop features to EVE, I am always amazed at the amount of uproar the players were and managed to incite a sort of rebellion in the game by destroyed a lot of ships. CCP decided against focusing on their cash shop and went back to improving their space ship battles. Sure they still released it but not much has been added to the cash shop and the past few expansions have vastly improved the gameplay of the game. Players always have a say in what they want, if people don't like it and leave then they wouldn't have any money to continue developing and running the game. EVE's community, while at times hateful and unrelenting, cares very much about their game and they should be a testament to the customer's power.

EDIT: I'm very much tired of people assuming those that complain about the cash shop can't afford the items. I have plenty of money to spend on them however that is not the point we are making. I don't know why I have to explain this so many times.


I dont think you understood what I was saying.
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Sigh, silly girl trying to educate me?

GW2: cash shop with in game benefits

Tera: cash shop that gives you skins, nothing more.

GW2: Going to have expansions you have to pay for to get more content

Tera: We don't know yet as to HOW an "expansion" will be handled

I especially love your little idiotic point of free to plays that offer item in cash shop that are also available in game. Because 99% of the time that is pay to win (potions/scrolls/gear), and most of the time the vanities are not obtainable in any way shape or form within the game without money(PWI more money spent = faster horse, but here it is 25$ for just a skin lolwat I DEMAND 500 SPEED!).

Keep trying, an failing, HARD.
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Nerelith on 07/05/2012, 03:52 PM - view
Kemosobe on 07/05/2012, 08:32 AM
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Nerelith on 07/05/2012, 08:14 AM
And you have got to be delusional, if you believe that when august starts people will not start cancelling their subscriptions yet again... 8/28/12 !!! :-) There will be an exodus.. I am figuring.. another month for the devs to realize how badly the pooch was screwed... by october you will see the announcements " going free2play... and welcoming to the cash shop...pay2win!"

I just want to know where you are getting this date from. Does some big game have a launch date for that date or something?


I believe Guild Wars 2 was given that date.

Yes. it was.

Must have just announced that date then since it wasn't there a few days ago.

But the big thing you are forgetting is the fact that that game is published by NCSoft and there is a large amount of hate for NCSoft here. So no, I do not see TERA losing loads of subs simply because Guild Wars 2 came out. That is the same sort of thinking that too many people had whenever a new MMO came out for WoW. "This MMO is going to destroy WoW." A new MMO launching will not bring the unsubbing. The way the company is running the MMO will bring on the unsubbing. Just look at how many people Blizzard is losing on WoW because of what they are doing to it.


Are you seriously comparing Tera with WoW?

This is delusional, or simply wishful thinking. Fact is, even wow is losing subscriptions. And yes, as someone said, a LOT of the PVP ers in this game will be leaving for GW2. I am not a PVP er by any means, but I can play GvG pretty well. I played all the GW expensions and Loved it to bits. So yes, even I, a PvE er in general, am anticipating the release of Gw2.

Another grouyp of people you will lose are, the players that have a problem with BOTH a subscription...and a cash shop...that have not left yet, because there is no game out there tey want to play, so are playing this til Gw2 comes out.

See there are some people who will see this as a great oppurtunity, to vote with their money.

" hmm I can pay $15 a Month to support a game with a cash shop....or I can just play Gw2... and tell EME what I think of their Business Model."

See from what I have seen of gw2... PvE wise, maybe Tera has them beat, that can be debated.... but Gw also has a Lot of new...unique features that tera Just copy pasted from other MMO's

So you will more than likely also lose the players that like supporting games that introduce new unique gameplay features.... Not everything is " PvE or PvP " dichotomy... there are other groups that will find gw2 interesting enough to try out... and... when you look at the $15 Monthly + Cash shop..as opposed to just paying for the game + cash shop.... Tera may have lost it's last chance to redeem itself... it has basically 2 more months to win over a Lot of dissatisfied customers... and let's Not forget...Blade & Soul, Mists of pandoria..or whatever the hell WoW is releasing.....

EME doesn't even comment on these forums... that is something else people will remember when they start seeing all the other games being released. Absentee Landlords do not add up to contented tenants.


Dont forget about FFXIV 2.0
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Pharys on 07/05/2012, 02:02 PM - view
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If GW2 is anything like GW1, then a lot of people that "think" they are PvP will get farmed to exhaustion by the real PvP players on their full-time, all day premades.

After that initial month of realizing how much 90% of population can't really PvP for poop, they will eventually see that GW2 is not really the promised land of awesome free MMO, they will abandon GW2 and go to the only decent MMO out there.

Take a wild guess what that game will be.





UHHH that new one from Trion Worlds.


Catatonic, we all know you are never leaving Tera, ever.
Come to terms with it. :D


I'll be here until at least December, because that is when my subscription ends.
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Hah I almost got a year sub to this game....
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ReiKoji on 07/05/2012, 06:13 PM - view
Hah I almost got a year sub to this game....


I thkn I considered it, and then I looked at the price. Then I decided to buy the 6mo and a SSD instead. Worked out great.
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Catatonic on 07/05/2012, 06:15 PM - view
ReiKoji on 07/05/2012, 06:13 PM
Hah I almost got a year sub to this game....


I thkn I considered it, and then I looked at the price. Then I decided to buy the 6mo and a SSD instead. Worked out great.


I went monthly. Can just gold farm and buy a chrono scroll every month.... 3 chrono scrolls is all I will need to buy anyway.
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ReiKoji on 07/05/2012, 06:38 PM - view
Catatonic on 07/05/2012, 06:15 PM
ReiKoji on 07/05/2012, 06:13 PM
Hah I almost got a year sub to this game....


I thkn I considered it, and then I looked at the price. Then I decided to buy the 6mo and a SSD instead. Worked out great.


I went monthly. Can just gold farm and buy a chrono scroll every month.... 3 chrono scrolls is all I will need to buy anyway.


Well when I bought my sub I was under the impression the chronoscrolls would actually cost a good chunk of gold, not something I could farm up in a couple hours. I doubt I will resub for this reason. I will just use scrolls, no sweat off my back.