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Bumping thread to be ahead of that "TERA is turning more and more f2p" thread.
Carpathian
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You people. . .are crazy!
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Zydeco on 06/26/2012, 05:59 PM - view
dammit i was looking for the Tropic Thunder meme.
What do you mean "You people"?!?!?!?
I didn't read your thread, but thanks for this opportunity. I'll be going now.
dammit i was looking for the Tropic Thunder meme.
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DaisukeReborn on 06/26/2012, 07:08 PM - view
You're telling me that between having cash shops for novelty items vs having endgame content that have novelty items as rewards, you would pick cash shops?
My opinion is no more law than anyone else's here. So if it comes down to "is the opinion worth voicing," I would say there's merit in wanting these items to be integrated in content, which many people have been complaining about, both here and in K-Tera.
As for it being inevitable, sure, but if something is drastically not bringing in the money they hope it does in the US side, there's a very good chance they will take a look at what they're doing. I know it isn't EM, but if no one is buying crap there, it'll go back to the top dogs.
But obviously, there are many people who have the money and are content with throwing it at a cash shop model of doing things, so in the end, I suppose nothing will ever happen.
On a side note, no I'm not one who complains about everything. But here is a great chance for them to provide content in-game, which in my opinion keeps people subbing longer. Don't compare the Korean gaming market to the US. And as others have noted, many MMO's start off with novelty items that quickly turn into premium items used in battles, etc. But I guess if you're cool with that too...I'd love to drop 100 bucks for a nice lvl 60 character pls thx kk bai
akinohibi on 06/26/2012, 05:48 PMSlubber on 06/26/2012, 05:30 PM"
So when they announce new skins, new this, new that in the cash shop don't be surprised, it's already in Korea and will be ported here, anyone who follows the game to a certain extent knows this.
Well maybe, just maybe, if enough people complain, enough people voice their opinion to have these in-game for endgame incentives, maybe if enough people aren't silly enough to pay for these and they do extremely poorly in the US premium shops, maybe they'll consider changing some things....your 'this is how it is too bad so sad' attitude is really not needed.
If you think this is new or unwelcome you're wrong, plenty of people are very happy with cash shops and are more than willing to buy what they like when they want it. I can see numerous people in game already with the new mount "including myself tomorrow" voicing an opinion is futile when it's something that has nothing wrong with it.
You're telling me that between having cash shops for novelty items vs having endgame content that have novelty items as rewards, you would pick cash shops?
My opinion is no more law than anyone else's here. So if it comes down to "is the opinion worth voicing," I would say there's merit in wanting these items to be integrated in content, which many people have been complaining about, both here and in K-Tera.
As for it being inevitable, sure, but if something is drastically not bringing in the money they hope it does in the US side, there's a very good chance they will take a look at what they're doing. I know it isn't EM, but if no one is buying crap there, it'll go back to the top dogs.
But obviously, there are many people who have the money and are content with throwing it at a cash shop model of doing things, so in the end, I suppose nothing will ever happen.
On a side note, no I'm not one who complains about everything. But here is a great chance for them to provide content in-game, which in my opinion keeps people subbing longer. Don't compare the Korean gaming market to the US. And as others have noted, many MMO's start off with novelty items that quickly turn into premium items used in battles, etc. But I guess if you're cool with that too...I'd love to drop 100 bucks for a nice lvl 60 character pls thx kk bai
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zeruel1223 on 06/26/2012, 05:51 PM - view
^
Cash shops are fine, so long as nothing in the shop is P2W.
Enough people isn't a vocal group of about 15. Considering they have thousands of subscribers.
^
Cash shops are fine, so long as nothing in the shop is P2W.
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akinohibi on 06/26/2012, 08:20 PM - view
Logical fallacy (false dichotomy)
DaisukeReborn on 06/26/2012, 07:08 PMakinohibi on 06/26/2012, 05:48 PMSlubber on 06/26/2012, 05:30 PM"
So when they announce new skins, new this, new that in the cash shop don't be surprised, it's already in Korea and will be ported here, anyone who follows the game to a certain extent knows this.
Well maybe, just maybe, if enough people complain, enough people voice their opinion to have these in-game for endgame incentives, maybe if enough people aren't silly enough to pay for these and they do extremely poorly in the US premium shops, maybe they'll consider changing some things....your 'this is how it is too bad so sad' attitude is really not needed.
If you think this is new or unwelcome you're wrong, plenty of people are very happy with cash shops and are more than willing to buy what they like when they want it. I can see numerous people in game already with the new mount "including myself tomorrow" voicing an opinion is futile when it's something that has nothing wrong with it.
You're telling me that between having cash shops for novelty items vs having endgame content that have novelty items as rewards, you would pick cash shops?
Logical fallacy (false dichotomy)
akinohibi
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zeruel1223 on 06/26/2012, 08:22 PM - view
Sorry Z, didn't realize this was the debate club section. I humbly request your forgiveness and would like to turn back time and add in my first post that the reasoning behind complaining about cash shops is to get them to look at a better way to add content to the game, mainly using novelty items as rewards rather than having people drop money to buy them. I believe such a model serves to hold subbers longer, keep people more interested, add content, and not have people look like they have too much of their mom's money for prancing around on a 25 dollar flaming horse.
Oops, I would also like to retract that last part, as it may also be some fallacy of logic or your mom.
Logical fallacy (false dichotomy)
Sorry Z, didn't realize this was the debate club section. I humbly request your forgiveness and would like to turn back time and add in my first post that the reasoning behind complaining about cash shops is to get them to look at a better way to add content to the game, mainly using novelty items as rewards rather than having people drop money to buy them. I believe such a model serves to hold subbers longer, keep people more interested, add content, and not have people look like they have too much of their mom's money for prancing around on a 25 dollar flaming horse.
Oops, I would also like to retract that last part, as it may also be some fallacy of logic or your mom.
Edited by: akinohibi
11 months ago
zeruel1223
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akinohibi on 06/26/2012, 08:30 PM - view
Do you not even understand? My point is you can have both options at once. Asking someone to choose between the two is silly.
By the way EME's not very good at adding content in the first place, so I think you'll never be happy technically.
Also, try to behave like an adult. Your mom? Really?
zeruel1223 on 06/26/2012, 08:22 PM
Logical fallacy (false dichotomy)
Sorry Z, didn't realize this was the debate club section. I humbly request your forgiveness and would like to turn back time and add in my first post that the reasoning behind complaining about cash shops is to get them to look at a better way to add content to the game, mainly using novelty items as rewards rather than having people drop money to buy them. I believe such a model serves to hold subbers longer, keep people more interested, add content, and not have people look like they have too much of their mom's money for prancing around on a 25 dollar flaming horse.
Oops, I would also like to retract that last part, as it may also be some fallacy of logic or your mom.
Do you not even understand? My point is you can have both options at once. Asking someone to choose between the two is silly.
By the way EME's not very good at adding content in the first place, so I think you'll never be happy technically.
Also, try to behave like an adult. Your mom? Really?
Edited by: zeruel1223
11 months ago
akinohibi
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zeruel1223 on 06/26/2012, 08:32 PM - view
No, Z, I understood, but like I said, these things often start as novelty shops and turn into actual battle items. I would also like to say that with the greediness of Korean MMO's, as long as there's the market for it, I'll bet you the leaning will always be on the cash shop side, not so even cut as you make it sound.
Now please understand, if the game now was filled with great content that kept people nice and busy, I don't think my argument would be merited. But it really isn't. So with that said, it is a slap in the face to see something that could be content (via quests, instances, etc) be sold in cash shops at a time when interesting content is sorely needed.
Sorry about your dear mother, but you asked for it with your prissy one liner.
I'll end it here before the batgirl comes and cleans house.
akinohibi on 06/26/2012, 08:30 PMzeruel1223 on 06/26/2012, 08:22 PM
Logical fallacy (false dichotomy)
Sorry Z, didn't realize this was the debate club section. I humbly request your forgiveness and would like to turn back time and add in my first post that the reasoning behind complaining about cash shops is to get them to look at a better way to add content to the game, mainly using novelty items as rewards rather than having people drop money to buy them. I believe such a model serves to hold subbers longer, keep people more interested, add content, and not have people look like they have too much of their mom's money for prancing around on a 25 dollar flaming horse.
Oops, I would also like to retract that last part, as it may also be some fallacy of logic or your mom.
Do you not even understand? My point is you can have both options at once. Asking someone to choose between the two is silly.
By the way EME's not very good at adding content in the first place, so I think you'll never be happy technically.
Also, try to behave like an adult. Your mom? Really?
No, Z, I understood, but like I said, these things often start as novelty shops and turn into actual battle items. I would also like to say that with the greediness of Korean MMO's, as long as there's the market for it, I'll bet you the leaning will always be on the cash shop side, not so even cut as you make it sound.
Now please understand, if the game now was filled with great content that kept people nice and busy, I don't think my argument would be merited. But it really isn't. So with that said, it is a slap in the face to see something that could be content (via quests, instances, etc) be sold in cash shops at a time when interesting content is sorely needed.
Sorry about your dear mother, but you asked for it with your prissy one liner.
I'll end it here before the batgirl comes and cleans house.
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akinohibi on 06/26/2012, 08:38 PM - view
We can keep it clean. I said before, and I still believe, that the integrity of the game being compromised due to combat items sold in a cash shop, happens when the game is actually dying. I don't see Tera in this state, the sky falling state of the forum panic notwithstanding. So I believe in the integrity of EME in keeping cash items as vanity only.
I don't see it as a slap in the face, but obviously there are many that feel differently.
But I'd say there are also many who are perfectly pleased or feel nothing at all. The forums are still a terrible measuring stick for the general game population.
zeruel1223 on 06/26/2012, 08:32 PMakinohibi on 06/26/2012, 08:30 PMzeruel1223 on 06/26/2012, 08:22 PM
Logical fallacy (false dichotomy)
Sorry Z, didn't realize this was the debate club section. I humbly request your forgiveness and would like to turn back time and add in my first post that the reasoning behind complaining about cash shops is to get them to look at a better way to add content to the game, mainly using novelty items as rewards rather than having people drop money to buy them. I believe such a model serves to hold subbers longer, keep people more interested, add content, and not have people look like they have too much of their mom's money for prancing around on a 25 dollar flaming horse.
Oops, I would also like to retract that last part, as it may also be some fallacy of logic or your mom.
Do you not even understand? My point is you can have both options at once. Asking someone to choose between the two is silly.
By the way EME's not very good at adding content in the first place, so I think you'll never be happy technically.
Also, try to behave like an adult. Your mom? Really?
No, Z, I understood, but like I said, these things often start as novelty shops and turn into actual battle items. I would also like to say that with the greediness of Korean MMO's, as long as there's the market for it, I'll bet you the leaning will always be on the cash shop side, not so even cut as you make it sound.
Now please understand, if the game now was filled with great content that kept people nice and busy, I don't think my argument would be merited. But it really isn't. So with that said, it is a slap in the face to see something that could be content (via quests, instances, etc) be sold in cash shops at a time when interesting content is sorely needed.
We can keep it clean. I said before, and I still believe, that the integrity of the game being compromised due to combat items sold in a cash shop, happens when the game is actually dying. I don't see Tera in this state, the sky falling state of the forum panic notwithstanding. So I believe in the integrity of EME in keeping cash items as vanity only.
I don't see it as a slap in the face, but obviously there are many that feel differently.
But I'd say there are also many who are perfectly pleased or feel nothing at all. The forums are still a terrible measuring stick for the general game population.