dps is a thing you do, not something you can be

chuckd96 Profile Options #41

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but warriors are tanks. take your irrelevant gripes elsewhere.

Because Tera calls them one? Quick get a GM to tell this guy to jump off a bridge
Edited by: chuckd96 about 1 year ago
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Thundercat on 04/25/2012, 04:35 AM - view
Burst doesn't mean you do big, slow attacks. That's still sustained damage. Burst is when you burn an ability which allows you to do higher DPS for a short period of time. Does any class in TERA have actual burst damage? It all seems to be sustained damage, without the ability to suddenly burst and burn down a mob for 20-30 sec at a time before reverting back to sustained while awaiting long cooldowns.


this is so beyond wrong its not even funny. a charged attack for example is not doing "damage per second" because the seconds it's charging, it's doing no damage at all. when it's finally let go, it does one single large amount of damage, a k a burst.

same goes for magic.

sustained damage comes from consistent, continual damage which accumulates large totals over time, which the best example is auto attacks. a sustained damage dealer is closest thing to being a "DPS" as what the wowtard community is going to get.

never once did i see "DD" mean anything outside damage dealer in EQ2, ultima, FFXI, or the multitude of silly f2ps ive tried.


Actually your wrong. DPS is an avr taken over a period of time (Usually a boss fight of several mins) According to you any attack that is not instant - 1 second in duration is *burst* since it does no damage for at least 1 second and hence cant be damage per second? Really? So any ability with a cast time of say 1.1s+ is burst now? LOL. Your so far off base.

Burst damage is using longer cooldown abilitys in succession to achieve spikes in DPS that are not constant. For example ... Over the course of a boss fight I may do an avr DPS of 10,000. I may be saving my *burst abilitys* for a weakened period on the boss. During this weakened period I use those burst abilitys to spike my DPS to 15,000 ... but the rest of the fight I only produce 8,000 sustained DPS.

So my DPS is 10K (avr over the course of the fight) ... My sustained DPS is 8K and my burst DPS is 15K. Burst is by definition not sustainable over the course of a fight and hence given the term *burst*. Sustainable DPS is what you can do all day long with no break. The term DPS as a whole accounts for your burst + sustained damage avr'd out over time.
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Damage Per Second aka DPS, been around longer than games. only recently used to mean damage dealers aka DD's. language evolves is a poor excuse and inaccurate as well. it's not evolving, people are simply using a term they think means something else entirely...laziness.

and that herd mentality i mentioned. it is inaccurate and misleading. not to mention not the correct use of the acronym. so as iamwhatiam has proven, inability to think, must defend terminology at all costs because learning correct terminology would make him different and require thought.

herd mentalities don't want to be different, don't want to use language that others of the herd don't use. no matter how factual or correct it may be. i've played lots of mmo's, dd was the preferred term, until wowtards got bored and started moving to other games.

DPS is what a class EVERY class does. damage dealers are what a specific set of classes are. see the difference there? no? i know, might be a rather difficult concept to wrap your head around iamwhatiam. but, you are most likely going to continue with and defend the herd...as if they need help...but don't attempt to absolve yourself with semantics, or excuses. your using it and defending it because you don't want to think for yourself or be more intelligent in the use of language then your herd mates. that would make you stand out...in a bad way eh? unlike being the defender of muddy/non thinking. that makes you their hero >.>
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Groovejet on 04/25/2012, 02:11 AM - view
Cool story DPS.
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I have a short reprieve thanks to the missus getting a phonecall, so time for one more. Lucky you!

DeadX on 04/25/2012, 05:04 AM - view

laziness.

herd mentality


You should probably have a good think about what you've said here. You were lazy yourself, using "MMO". That's meaningless. It's either MMOG or MMORPG. Just as DPS when referring to a role was originally (pre WoW) "pure DPS class", which shortened to "DPS class" as hybrids had DPS increased over time, and finally now just "DPS".

And herd mentality? That's kind of the whole point of language, which is what we're talking about remember. Saying you don't want to use DPS like the majority of the MMORPG community and be understood, and instead use DD and not be understood due to the double meaning and not widely used "damage dealer" meaning, is like speaking Klingon instead of English because you don't want to be part of the herd.

Again I'll say it... language is purely about communicating with each other. I don't complain about people having really bad grammar or terrible spelling, or not capitalising words, and so on. So long as I understand what they are communicating it's fine. And likewise, regardless of the actual meaning of DPS being Damage Per Second, the community understands DPS to mean a damage causing role in a group, but most of the community will have no clue what you're saying if you say "LF1M DD".

And now I've copped a whack across the back of the head and the death stare so I'm really off.
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OP is wrong as usual, argument is also invalid because of this. like most things in mmos, acronyms are usually short for something and in this case DPS is short for DPS class not just DPS, the first person to say DPS realized that saying DD didnt make much sense since every class can do damage and it made more sense to say how much damage they did aka DPS.

also more importantly, zerkers are just plain bad, they aren't even a dps let alone a DD or whatever you want to call them, the whole class needs to be scrapped imo. don't believe me? come duel me on ur zerker, i guarantee 100 straight victories against you.
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Whatever happened to people using 'DD' for Damage Dealer?

I mean, people are lazy, and 'DD' is one letter less to type out. :o
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Tanks deal damage.

Hence how the term DD is vague and inaccurate.

As stated above, a DPS is far more specific. It emphasizes that the main goal of the role is to deal a large amount of damage within a set amount of time. Damage dealer is vague, and could refer to anything that can deal damage. DPS implies high damage per second.
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Mash on 04/25/2012, 05:46 AM - view
Tanks deal damage.

Hence how the term DD is vague and inaccurate.

As stated above, a DPS is far more specific. It emphasizes that the main goal of the role is to deal a large amount of damage within a set amount of time. Damage dealer is vague, and could refer to anything that can deal damage. DPS implies high damage per second.


tanks also do dps, it just sucks

DPS could refer to any class that does damage per second..

wait..wut? right...
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Voodoo_Papa on 04/25/2012, 05:51 AM - view
Mash on 04/25/2012, 05:46 AM
Tanks deal damage.

Hence how the term DD is vague and inaccurate.

As stated above, a DPS is far more specific. It emphasizes that the main goal of the role is to deal a large amount of damage within a set amount of time. Damage dealer is vague, and could refer to anything that can deal damage. DPS implies high damage per second.


tanks also do dps, it just sucks

DPS could refer to any class that does damage per second..

wait..wut? right...


It's a more specific description.

Any class does damage. However, damage per second puts an emphasis on HOW MUCH damage.

The higher the DPS, the more you fit the role. Any class can be a DD no matter how much damage you do, when you do it, why you do it, or how you do it. It's vague and uninformative.