"In GW2 one of the battlegrounds has PvE elements in it, and it works great."

This is not true guild wars 2 pvp has not been properly tested. I think they will most likely make huge adjustments to it once it has been out for 4months due to player dissatisfaction

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What makes it not true? Have you had a chance to try it? No, of course you did not.
It works well the way it's made now, further adjustments are expected but the battleground is designed around the idea of having PvE elements in it and that's not going to change.

The only people I see whining about PvE in battlegrounds are people who only ever experienced that in Aion, and I agree that Dredgion was terrible. But that doesn't mean every single battleground with PvE elements in it is terrible.

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Its not the PVE elememt

Its the GW2 formula. Max level max gear and max skill. I am not sure that will work. PVP battles is all about hving an edge, more players, better gear, higher level.

All i've seen from Lowbei is him belittling people becuase they stated something he disagree'd with.

Also: fun·ni·ly/ˈfənl-ē/
Used to admit that a situation or fact is surprising or curious.

I think you may be using the incorrectly.

I'm new to TERA, i haven't played it yet. But when i think of PvE in PvP i think of AV from WoW. as you said before Lowbei, "one of more favorite battlegrounds of WoW was AV back in vanilla, do to way it was designed. Idea of pve mobs in pvp isn't bad if you do it correctly, and Old AV not current zerg fest was very awesome!" and also you said. " filled with pve mobs that are not only an annoyance but are REQUIRED to kill to give your team some stupid buff that just unbalances what would be a fair fight"

Last i checked, since the beginning AV required you kil lthe enemy boss to win.

you must be confusing me with someone else, i never said anything about playing wow, i think that game is trash

The revenge of the Lowbei ~.~

the problem is that the most competitive pvp out there, is 5v5, 10v10, aka group V group. this usually, no.. always happens in "arenas/battlegrounds/scenarios" or whatever you want to call it, an instanced area where the two groups can fight it out without any external factors, like adds...

example, every group v group tournament in any mmo ever, has been in arenas or an area of the game where the two groups could fight without outside factors, so the other group cannot say anything after you win, like "waaah, you only won cuz we had adds"

the ONLY place in tera where you can have a group v group fight without worrying about adds (player OR mob), was arenas...

not anymore, now we get our arenas filled with mobs, not only to be annoying, but to be a requirement of the fight due to their buffs...

i am confident that after they review this, they will remove it, as they have done every time we vehemently hate something, they seem to be good about removing it.

unfortunately, we get carebear pvers who come on here and give their opinion about how much they love killing mobs, despite the fact that we are only talking about the pvp servers, where they wont be playing anyways


thank you leiloni for your input :)

Lowbei - there are going to be PVP battles without mobs. I would say that would be in the pipe line as well.

I don't see there being a real issue with PvP with environmental hazards.

If you can't attack somebody without dealing with the environment as well, then what're you good for? It's just more pieces on the chess board... deal with it.

what? so the way you put it, this game thats being aimed at pvp players, wont have any competitive pvp until a random time in the future, how exciting

wake us when they realize we want at least one zone dedicated to only competitive player vs player interactions, like every other pvp game out there


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lol uhhh dealing with teh environment? this is pveing mobs, not avoiding stepping in a lava pit. this is why carebears shouldnt comment on threads that deal only with pvp server issues