I'm going to leave all names out, because I don't want to start any unnecessary drama. I'm currently a level 60 Priest, and still guildless. I won't be joining a guild until I've researched enough. But so far, I have yet to see a single guild that is capable.

All I see are the "hardcore PVP" guilds complaining, QQing, and crying about ganking. It annoys me. I see a person soloing, and suddenly, ganked by 3 members of __ guild. This person is in a different guild. 3 members come in, gank him. What happens? He goes on a rage run saying "you guys suck and can't take me on 1 on 1." He tells his guild and people move into the area (at the time this place only had 1 channel, idk if it changed or not yet), and they start trash talking.

I'm going to clarify:
1) PvP Guilds should not be complaining about being ganked.
2) PvP guilds should know that just because they use 5 people to kill you, doesn't mean they need 5 people to kill you. It just means that want you dead in an inescapable way.
3) PvP guilds should understand that just because someone runs from a fight, doesn't mean they can't win. It means they're taking precaution. How do they know they won't get ganked by more members? They want to save their crystals, or save themselves from death. When I run into someone who's ganking me, I check my crystals. I never wear crystals unless I'm about to do an instance, but sometimes I forget to take them off. If I'm not wearing any crystals, I take it headstrong, knowing that I may very well face 1 or 2 more people. It's happened before, people seem like they're alone, and suddenly a second person appears. But that doesn't matter, i'm a Priest, I take down 2v1 unless they've got a good combination, or any healer, on their hands. Point is, running doesn't mean cowardice. It means precaution. Am I capable of PvP? Of course. I beat someone with +9 level 60 Slayer sword and +6 everything else. Who's apparently, a PVP officer of a "hardcore pvp guild."


So far, not a single guild I've seen is OK with ganking. They ALL QQ too much. There are some guilds that publicize that mindset. I'm happy for those guilds, they're the closest to what I'm choosing. They say they don't care about anything but the battlegrounds or duels, and would gladly play dirty in GVG or OWPVP, since it's a free-for-all. And if they kept that mindset, they'd be perfect. They wouldn't QQ about being ganked. They wouldn't trash talk when ganking. They wouldn't trash talk after being ganked. But those guilds that claim they don't, do. I see their members trash talking in game. I see everyone trash talking in game. It's annoying, and it's disappointing. Some even go as far as posting videos, which instantly put them on the "Never joining" list.

Of course, there are some great PvPers out in those guilds. Just their QQing needs to stop.



Keep in mind that
1) I'm guildless
2) I solo 90% of the time
3) Most of what I've written here is purely from observation and eavesdropping.

Hello, I am Facade of the [White Knights] we are a hardcore PKK guild (We hunt outlaws.) I do hope your list of guilds whom complain does not include us. Our guild motto is "If your red your dead." We very much enjoy killing outlaws and people whom gvg us. Which seems to be a lot of guilds. I personally don't complain when I get ganked. I know some of our members do but that is due to the fact that they just want to level before they get their pvp on. So, if someone says they get ganked we gear up with a 5 man party and get our pvp on. Yes, we do talk a lot of trash in area chat. For that I must apologize. I myself have done this. Some times we just get a bit over zealous.

I personally am all for open world ganking. I have been ganked "once" since I started Tera. It was the first time I left lumber town and I had no idea what an outlaw was. I had never played a game with owpvp. Since then depending on what I am doing personally I either avoid pvp or go head first in to it. Being a warrior makes it simple to choose if I do or don't want to pvp. I have never found a situation where I could not get away. Even durring 6v1 situations I have gotten away to safe zones.

I myself am a PPK'r because I like a bit of a challenge. I love situations where I run in to a person who is red. I have faceplanted in to many a 60 priest outlaw lately and laugh at myself for not checking their level. Nytelite if I am not mistaken is one of the 60 priests I have faceplanted into. I have also ran in to other reds whom I was in a gvg with and had a fun battle. There was a 49 warrior from [Ex Infernis] whom I fought and sadly lost (She was close to death. But a loss is a loss.) It was a most enjoyable fight.

My biggest complaint for owpvp is that if a guild calls you out for a gvg and then hides in towns during fights. I find it saddening. Why declare a gvg if you don't plan to fight in every single town, outpost, area? If you don't have the numbers then call more members. In [White Knights] we pride ourselfs on calling as many members as we need for a gvg. If they have 6 members we bring out 8 members. If they have 15 members we call out 20. Who cares if we are swarming them the fact is we play to win.

We get a lot of complaints about our GM being a lvl 11 alternate account. But the fact is by doing that we're not giving out those 10 points in gvg's. If you got a problem with it go cry about it. We have talked to GM support and it is not illegal to do. It is a game mechanic and we are allowed to do it. We play to win and having an alt as our leader helps us win.

Lol, I got a little off topic with my post but the point is. I agree with what your saying. I don't run because I am a coward. I run because I know I can't win, because I am trying to do something else, or because you might have friends around. When your an outlaw and I see you and stomp you don't cry about it. You chose to get infamy and it gives me the right to kill you if I am capable of it. If your getting ganked or there are people around you can't kill alone do what I do and call out the cavalry and go kill some suckers. I was just questing with my 2 mystic mates the other day and we ran in to some [brotherhood] guys and got our pvp on. They slowly had more members trickle in and then some [Aftermath] guys show'd up it was a lot of fun. I am not sure whom but someone ended up killing my buddy Sara. So, we did a roll call on vent and in guild chat and got our pvp on. First we roamed and killed 2 [Brotherhood] guys and then I sent Tortilla the leader of [Aftermath] a message and got more pvp on. We ended up killing him and another [Aftermath] member if I am not mistaken. It was a lot of fun.


tldr; +1 to the OP's post

~Facade of the [White Knights]

What the OP said, pretty much. People need to take responsibility for the choices they make, plain and simple. If you choose PvP server you are choosing to play, level, gather, and so on a server where you will be killed the moment you step out of town. Crying about will not make a difference, so why do it.

I agree as well. If I get ganked by higher level players or multiples I simply rez switch channels and move on. Once I am level 60 its time for payback is the way I see it. No idea why people like nytelight find the need to kill a level 15 player when he is 60 but whatever when I am 60 I will be farming him/her, he/she will learn what it is like to be camped.

Anyway no point in whining it won't change anything, my .2

You are guildless.
You play solo 90% of the time.

Area chat, seemingly your main connection to the community you have during your playtime, is the place for QQ, trolling, and very little substance.

The guilds that take pvp seriously don't often spam area chat with QQ, or anything for that matter. As such I'm not at all surprised that your perception of the pvp guild community is completely off base.

My advice to you is to join a guild if you actually have interest in gvg or pvp. Without one, all you'll get is the sewage flow from area chat that you've already experienced.

If that certain Slayer was Fenix. Don't mind him, He is constantly trying to kill people for "practice" ^_^ and always willing to casually chat for the betterment of All player's pvp skillzzz

What the OP is asking for is ridiculous. A guild (i consider a real guild 20+ members) can't control what every member says or does at every moment of the game. It's unfair to judge an entire guild based on the actions of a few members. Across is a free to do what you want pvp guild and everyone has a different attitude towards pvp. Even if you do find a guild that has only members of whom you describe, someone will have a breakdown and trash talk eventually. Do you then kick them out immediately? Do you quit the guild because they broke your pvp rules? The best way to avoid what you described is to remain guildless. A lot of people do this. I've dont it myself in many games. I just hope you dont get disappointed because every guild trash talkers, every guild has its qqers, and every guild has its weak and strong moments.

This thread seems to be a QQ session about QQing in pvp. Here is the simple fact this game is open pvp meaning you don't like the person kill them. The idea with open pvp is that anything goes for that reason you will always have someone who says that is unfair and cry about it or run to town and talk smack without the guts to attack until the situation is in thier favor; that is the creed of a pkk guild. The idea that red equals dead is so wowish in thought it actually diminishes the amount of fun that can be had. In my experience with open pvp the idea is to create/loose/backstab enemies and fiends. The real fun is that you are able to get under someone's skin enough to create some real mayhem and at the same time some recognition for yourself and guild. I have leveled going outlaw multiple times for the fun of taking someone out or simply running them from the zone. Whether a red is killing lowbies or just someone that knows they can attack at any moment and win the fight is pvp by the rules put forth in the game people will complain and flame about it but at the end of the day someone is dead and the other is satisfied; QQing about it just makes it so much more enjoyable to know you impacted someone's life so much in a game they are distraught over it.

To all the server police out there refusing to go red doesn't make you kind it makes you foolish and paints a giant target on your back no one QQs more than a never red who can't defend themselves cause they think never going red makes them some kind of hero.

You want the real pvp experience go outlaw and kill the next person that pisses ya off ignore the whining or join in talking smack. Neck bone or back bone its all the same to me.

ha...

Not going red makes us foolish.. yet brings SO much anger our direction. We are very rarely less thank 5 GvG's at any time. We like to fight opponents who are at least semi skilled in PvP (hence, they are outlawed) rather than ganking innocent people who are questing...

Go ahead, go red. I hope we see you soon. Stay classy.

Quote: H0llin on 05/08/2012, 11:26 AM - view

I couldn't have said it any better myself.