Sounds like you know what guild you want to join Naliya cause you are battling like it's your job to defend VO when they themselves don't even wish to be involved. Accusing any and everyone guild who's posted of trying to be bullies and pick on poor poor VO..
So you begin to see why you being a mysteriously new person who's never posted seems suspicious.. since you want to call people out on being questionable?
I don't want to join a hardcore guild, I'm a causal player. With a quote like "wanting to see VO fail" SocietyX, I don't think anything you say with regard to VO or people actually vocalizing positive concerns actually matters. Your bias is enough to make anythin you say with regards to VO mute.
I haven't actually posted anything against or for VO however so I am finding it laughable you are attacking me, The only thing I've posted is how laughable this ENTIRE thing is. So stop waving your VO flag so hard.
Nice edit, anyways the gist of it is still there...
Sounds like you know what guild you want to join Naliya cause you are battling like it's your job to defend VO when they themselves don't even wish to be involved. Accusing any and everyone guild who's posted of trying to be bullies and pick on poor poor VO..
So you begin to see why you being a mysteriously new person who's never posted seems suspicious.. since you want to call people out on being questionable?
I don't want to join a hardcore guild, I'm a causal player. With a quote like "wanting to see VO fail" SocietyX, I don't think anything you say with regard to VO or people actually vocalizing positive concerns actually matters. Your bias is enough to make anythin you say with regards to VO mute.
I haven't actually posted anything against or for VO however so I am finding it laughable you are attacking me, The only thing I've posted is how laughable this ENTIRE thing is. So stop waving your VO flag so hard.
Nice edit, anyways the gist of it is still there...
And? Still confused on why you're waving this VO flag so hard. If you read the post that comment is give context to how ridiculous the whole thing really is. And it's still there. Basically I was pointing out all of this drama is just that and even myself, as someone who legitimately would have beef with VO, is amazed at how much is going on. So quote away and take screenshots all you wish but your waving of this VO Flag still makes you look 100% biased and like a potential alt account the more you attack anyone who says anything like it's your job.
Naliya, you may want to start reading the names of the people you're replying to and quoting, instead of just looking at 1 of 5 generic avatars and assuming they must be one and the same person.
You're making yourself look extraordinarily foolish.
Sorry Crosbie, as I said - I've never posted here before.
Anyhow, I'm definitely done now - At least others that read through this might think twice and do more research and use their brain a bit more.
I'm sure since I won't be posting there will be a lot [filtered] talk towards me that I won't defend either, i guess it makes a fine point of what VO goes through from guilds trying to destroy them by any means.
Good luck in head start, I just hope everyone moves on from this and treats it as a beta and head start as the official clean slate :)
Edit: Btw SocietyX be paranoid. I came in here pro VO since I found what I found and created this thread, so go figure I begun with bias. It's just a shame that I'm the only one that took the initiative to look deeper which creates paranoia heh. I'll be sure to PK you in game!
I've said it once, and I'll say it again - VO doesn't complain about it because they clearly keep drama in-house between them and other mature guilds that want to discuss the issue. Not use it as defamation toward another guild.
They clearly haven't bothered to put up a fight with everything you and other guilds throw at them and I understand why. It takes wayyyyyy too much energy and you're calling me a troll for having a positive light on a guild you're actively trying to destroy, clearly by your videos and rumors. Clearly by your members trolling too.
I'll check back here later with the hope you post the first match vs VO. Considering when there is a set of matches, all recordings are usually shown, not just the wins. But I know that won't happen...
Naliya on 04/26/2012, 07:07 AM
Anyway I'm done with this thread now, I just hope others will research more, especially into the guilds making the accusations. Not posting prior matches. Not declaring they swapped players. Not declaring their vent speak is wrong. Posting falsified images of too many circles and only showing screenshots of their team as it is grouping up, not when everyone is there.
I can see why VO stay out of it and do the mature thing and discuss it internally and with other mature guilds that discuss it between leaders rather than post so called evidence and use it as a tactic to flame another guild and destroy anything such as a tournament they are trying to organise.
First of all, our guild members outside of Calibix, Stay, and now myself have not posted in any of these threads. To say we have been doing so in the attempt to troll people is ignorant at best, especially when you yourself are telling people to do their research before coming up with an opinion when you so clearly havent. The time inbetween OBT and the Headstart must really be killing people like you since you have nothing to talk about, but old stuff that has already been settled. If you honestly want to start this thread and then say VO hasnt done anything negative towards any other guild, just read the last 10 pages of their recruitment thread that we, Avid, posted in ONCE, yet where brought up in a negative light at least a half dozen times. Sure, I have hard feelings towards VO, but to say they are 100pct in the right would be just absurd and incorrect. Especially when im allowed to have an opinion, however that doesnt mean I or any of our other guild members voice it on these forums like you so seem to believe.
Since posting the 5v5 video, we have A: said it was a rematch, B: said we swapped one person, and C: talked for a hour with several VO leaders on ventrillo. None of which we have to prove that we did to some anonymous person we don't even know. But we're nice like that.
To be honest, i think the funniest thing about this thread and yet again more attacks at Avid are the fact that we havent made any ourselves. Posting one youtube video of our experiences with a guild hardly constittues towards an entire campain to flame a guild. We would have posted that video regardless of whatever guild it was simply due to how dishonourable it was. It is humorous that you have said weve started rumors towards other guilds and then bring up no evidence when you in turn ask it from us even when we have already supplied suffienct information to cull your weak attempts to say we are flaming other guilds.
I would like to point out one thing though. The video stands for itself. Information like the fact that it was a rematch or we swapped one person is moot. I could care less if we lost the first fight, the only thing that matters is what occured during the second.
P.S. I lied. The funniest thing is you asking for the recording of our ventrillo meeting to feed your need for information.
It's really hard to respect the guild that tells all of its guild members to hide in towns until the guild war ends and kicks the people who don't. That's why I chose not to stick with VO.
But hey, you can't say they don't do what it takes to win...whatever it takes.
It's really hard to respect the guild that tells all of its guild members to hide in towns until the guild war ends and kicks the people who don't.
Rather out of context.
During GvGs it's against our rules to quest/gather alone. We don't kick people for not staying in towns, we kick trial members that don't read the rules and have bad decision making skills.
This is just a case of either 'practice what you preach', or 'reap what you sow'. I'll leave it up to the capable minds of JC as a community to decide which they think has determined the reputation of any guilds involved in the drama.
This will all be forgotten once the servers go live anyway, and we can all look forward to plenty more falsified claims, laboured stories of zerging with 50:1 ratios and general propaganda.
Besides, let's face it; you'd need to be either stupendously naive, or a major MMO green-horn to believe that a PVP server wouldn't spawn this kind've drama.
No matter how mature the base or core of each guild may be, there will always be those who won't be. There will always be name-callers, liars, exaggerators, [filtered]-talkers, snakes in the grass, big bad wolves, little red riding hoods, trolls under the bridge, billy goats gruff, etc etc.
Rivalry between guilds on PVP servers will ALWAYS spawn disputes. Disputes will always harbour drama. It's how people in the responsible positions of the guilds involved handle their members and defuse the situations afterwards which matter, not the people who throw the first stone, or the he says she says bollox inbetween.
This ain't a utopian society, kids; this is war :D
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It's really hard to respect the guild that tells all of its guild members to hide in towns until the guild war ends and kicks the people who don't.
Rather out of context.
During GvGs it's against our rules to quest/gather alone. We don't kick people for not staying in towns, we kick trial members that don't read the rules and have bad decision making skills.
This reasoning doesn't impress me, nor does the rule, hence why I am not continuing with the guild and why it should be obvious that people think you are a joke. It's a pretty cowardly move to restrict player freedom in the name of winning a guild war (in beta no less). That's just my opinion, of course, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who shares it.
