Bluehole, Creator of TERA, NOT Guilty in Criminal Trial

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Vencenzo on 04/19/2012, 08:07 AM - view
I appreciate the honesty here and I'm on your side, but the content of this thread is grounds for a defamation lawsuit.
Please remove before further implications.


EME didn't make that post without talking to their lawyers I guarantee you that. They also haven't said anything bad about NCSoft - it's mostly publicly available facts. If anyone is filing defamation lawsuits it would be EME/BHS because of all the bad press they've gotten out of what is ultimately false claims that one could argue has hurt their ability to make money off of this game.
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NCSoft is awful. I despise the company because they have shafted their loyal fans and employees numerous times.
ALL NC SOFT CARES ABOUT IS MONEY! GREEDY [filtered]S!

1. NC Soft discontinued awesome and innovative titles such as: Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa to name two.

2. NC Soft [filtered] over Richard Garriott while he was AFK because of his space flight. (Read about this on Tabula Rasa wikipedia)

3. NC Soft [filtered] me over by locking out my account, when it was supposedly hacked into. I was without my entire NC Soft account and games for 6+ MONTHS! The whole while NC Soft employees were beating around the bush and SPAMMING their generic support message asking for details I could NOT possibly furnish, such as my original cd-keys for some of the games. REALLY?! The games I bought several years ago, which the boxes were respectfully recycled? In the end I was given a game time card for 30 days. SCREW your [filtered] [filtered] games, I don't want your damn game time card crap.

4. NC Soft screwing over MORE ex-employees and suing another game company to prevent the release of an upcoming title

All in all. I HATE NC SOFT with a passion now. Especially after their recent child-like attempts to thwart competition in a shady manner.


Go farm your own gold in hell NC Soft!
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Irony is that this game is westernized under ex-NCSoft employees and the main guy who ruined AION Brian Knoxx..
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Arkwright on 04/19/2012, 09:02 AM - view
Irony is that this game is westernized under ex-NCSoft employees and the main guy who ruined AION Brian Knoxx..


Hey he was working for NCFail and as well all know they didn't let NCWest do much of anything. He's done a lot of great stuff at EME and has more than proven himself. Hate on NCSoft, don't hate on the innocent victims stuck in their web of suckiness. He was smart to get out as early as he did.
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Leiloni on 04/19/2012, 09:10 AM - view
Arkwright on 04/19/2012, 09:02 AM
Irony is that this game is westernized under ex-NCSoft employees and the main guy who ruined AION Brian Knoxx..


Hey he was working for NCFail and as well all know they didn't let NCWest do much of anything. He's done a lot of great stuff at EME and has more than proven himself. Hate on NCSoft, don't hate on the innocent victims stuck in their web of suckiness. He was smart to get out as early as he did.


No I don't hate NCSoft like some do for reasons that are irrelevant to this. BHS nor EME are "innocent" in any of this at all, I find it hilarious that they get defensive after Massively and other mmorpg news sites post "Korean court confirms guilty verdict in TERA criminal trial"

Like it or not but these people were/are part of TERA, and their theft of resources to help create TERA, at least initially, was confirmed. Now as the document went out of the way to address, this proceeding was only dealing the with individuals guilt or innocence and was NOT about BHE guilt or innocence. So yes, this particular proceeding didn't directly involve BHE, just some of the main founding members, but it is still a TERA related case. No idea why this is so hard for some people to understand.

EME can play their smallest violin as much as they want, the only ones sympathizing for them is their blind fans. (I mean really EME if you're going to lie, at least MAKE it seem like you have facts here)

To the fact that NCSoft hadn't filed any injunction in the US: It's ludicrous that the man even dared to challenge us to go and look for the paperwork, claiming that it didn't exist.

Lo-And behold though... it does!

http://tsi.brooklaw.edu/sites/tsi.brooklaw.edu/files/filings/ncsoft-corporation-et-al-v-bluehole-studio-inc-et-al/20120109ncsoft-corporation-et-al-v-bluehole-studio-inc-et-alcomplaint.pdf
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BHS (and every other Korean MMO dev) should file a class-action suit against NCSoft for defaming the reputation of Korean MMOs on the whole.

Seriously, so many people (myself included) are/were under the belief that Korean MMOs suck entirely BECAUSE of NCSoft...
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I thought only ignorant Americans sued people for outrageous reasons... guess I was wrong.

Blame NC Soft for ruining this stereotype as well.
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Arkwright on 04/19/2012, 09:16 AM - view


No I don't hate NCSoft like some do for reasons that are irrelevant to this. BHS nor EME are "innocent" in any of this at all, I find it hilarious that they get defensive after Massively and other mmorpg news sites post "Korean court confirms guilty verdict in TERA criminal trial"

Like it or not but these people were/are part of TERA, and their theft of resources to help create TERA, at least initially, was confirmed. Now as the document went out of the way to address, this proceeding was only dealing the with individuals guilt or innocence and was NOT about BHE guilt or innocence. So yes, this particular proceeding didn't directly involve BHE, just some of the main founding members, but it is still a TERA related case. No idea why this is so hard for some people to understand.

EME can play their smallest violin as much as they want, the only ones sympathizing for them is their blind fans. (I mean really EME if you're going to lie, at least MAKE it seem like you have facts here)

To the fact that NCSoft hadn't filed any injunction in the US: It's ludicrous that the man even dared to challenge us to go and look for the paperwork, claiming that it didn't exist.

Lo-And behold though... it does!

http://tsi.brooklaw.edu/sites/tsi.brooklaw.edu/files/filings/ncsoft-corporation-et-al-v-bluehole-studio-inc-et-al/20120109ncsoft-corporation-et-al-v-bluehole-studio-inc-et-alcomplaint.pdf


Ok quoting the relevant parts of the OP since you clearly didn't read it at all.

a) BHS and EME, according to the court, did not use any source code or game design from NCSoft in TERA.
b)TERA, BHS, and EME didn't even exist when the case was originally brought against the former NCSoft employees
c)BHS was NOT responsible for former NCSoft employees leaving the company.
d)The document you link is mentioned in the OP. That is not an injunction, that is the original complaint where this started in the US. They have not filed any motions since then to try and halt the launch of TERA.

LongClaw on 04/18/2012, 04:14 PM

It is no surprise that the latest spin on the story has it that "TERA is guilty." That is wrong. For the record, after extensive Korean proceedings, Bluehole Studio was NOT found to have made any use of any NCsoft trade secrets in the form of source code or game design. In fact, TERA didn’t even exist when the Korean case against the former NCsoft employees arose, and neither did En Masse Entertainment. In Korean civil proceedings, Bluehole was also found NOT to have been responsible for the exodus of NCsoft developers.


In the event you've read the court filings here in the US, you'll find that they're remarkably easy to read for legal documents; they certainly appear to have been written with an eye toward public opinion. NCsoft is a billion-plus dollar corporation, so they can afford to have a team of high-priced lawyers spin out reasonable-sounding documents. These baseless accusations have led to unfounded rumors, which is disappointing and unfair. But that doesn’t mean the rumors are true.
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There could be more bad news coming for the team that turned Lineage III assets into TERA, as the outcome of a $5.7 million civil suit is still pending in Korea. I don’t think the majority of the issues are over especially since the Korean courts upheld the 2009 convictions of the x employees now working at Blue Hole.
I’m not too familiar with Korean Civil practices but United States is very easy to prove a case. The real issue is proof that Blue hole can continue their plausible denial tactics. Where there is smoke there is fire. The only thing that the Korean courts did with bluehole was dismiss the fines. I’m sure Ncsoft will have a whole new set of facts for the US courts.

SUmary of current facts: http://www.thisisgame.com/en/2012/04/17/former-lineage3-developers-are-guilty

On a second note NCSOFT sucks. NCSOFT allowed gold farmers to continue for years and banned many, many, legit players that complained about the process or Player Killed the bot farmers repeatable. There are so many “X” Game masters posts proving these issues.

NCSOFT even stiffed many developers like Richard Garrett from Tabula Rasa. They reap what they have sowed.

This is my last comment with regards casue i dont want "the powers to be'; mad at me.
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Leiloni on 04/19/2012, 09:28 AM - view

c)BHS was NOT responsible for former NCSoft employees leaving the company.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabula_Rasa_(video_game)#Closing

Read Closing and Litigation. I think NCSoft are the ones responsible for employees leaving the company. Would you want to get shafted like several others have before?