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Keyral on 03/21/2012, 08:54 AM - view

Let's say this is 100% true without any actual facts or data supporting this....

What EME and BHS doesn't understand is the Market for originality is growing more each year. Most players like myself couldn't give a rat's [filtered] about the western Market anymore. We played this before we've done this before we are now looking for something New something different.

We are not looking for the same [filtered] we have been playing year and year for the last 10 years.... Turning it into the same [filtered] will make us search for something else.


Yes, clearly you know better just walking in the door, than the people who've been following Tera for the last 2 years. Who've been playing MMOs for a long period of time. And generally display a fundamental understanding of how the genre works.

Coming in the door, you are saying everything is wrong, wrong, wrong! It has to be like this! this has to be like that! and if, and if En Masse doesn't change it, the game will die! You are not the first person to say this. And the only reason i'm responding to you, is because I have an absurd level of patience. Because most people on this forum are not going to bother responding to this. For the hundred thousandth time.

You'll get fed up with what EME is doing, leave and find a different asian MMO, and the world will keep turning. Just because Tera is not right for you, does not mean it's right for anyone. This has been their plan from day 1. They've told us about it from day 1. You seem shocked that they are doing this, because this is your day 1. You may feel it is condescending to you, but I cannot stress enough you lack vital understanding about the company as a whole. And if you don't like it. Save yourself some hair and find an MMO that works for you.
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I would quote Nitzle but after several refreshes quote not working!

OFC they didnt come out and say "Hey buy TERA its just like its asian counterpart" Who in their right mind would market like that!?!?!?

Nitlze, I'm aware its your opinion, but you and many others, have a way of saying things where it just simply seems like "I dont need the feature so nobody else does" because when it all boils down its a feature. Pet shops dont ruin the AH and mischieve boxes aren't forced on anyone.

The already announced changes already scream that the enchanting system is going to be altered, now changing that will definitly mess up tera. Why do i assume this? The boxes were RNG for people who wanted to use them, but rather than adjust the rate they just dropped it! If they didnt like the RNG in boxes i'll tell you right now they definitly dont like how enchanting RNG is! The BOP changes also directly affect enchanting. While it may not be all items being changed it will be enough that will require ALOT of dungeon spamming just to get sacrificials to be able to enchant!

Do you see where im going with this now at all?
Mnemosyne Profile Options #1133

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There is an extreme amount of hyperbolic assumption going on in this thread as a whole.

"If EME removes pet stores, it will be the end of the game, because if pet stores are removed, then it definitely means they will remove feature Z, and if they remove feature Z then they will definitely remove feature G, which means next they'll be looking to change item X to be more like game Y."

Anybody else see the giant logical fallacy of an elephant in the room? Extra points if you can name the specific fallacy.
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odine on 03/21/2012, 09:06 AM - view
I would quote Nitzle but after several refreshes quote not working!

OFC they didnt come out and say "Hey buy TERA its just like its asian counterpart" Who in their right mind would market like that!?!?!?

Nitlze, I'm aware its your opinion, but you and many others, have a way of saying things where it just simply seems like "I dont need the feature so nobody else does" because when it all boils down its a feature. Pet shops dont ruin the AH and mischieve boxes aren't forced on anyone.

The already announced changes already scream that the enchanting system is going to be altered, now changing that will definitly mess up tera. Why do i assume this? The boxes were RNG for people who wanted to use them, but rather than adjust the rate they just dropped it! If they didnt like the RNG in boxes i'll tell you right now they definitly dont like how enchanting RNG is! The BOP changes also directly affect enchanting. While it may not be all items being changed it will be enough that will require ALOT of dungeon spamming just to get sacrificials to be able to enchant!

Do you see where im going with this now at all?


Just to clarify, buying golds for Enchanting is the worst thing you can do. The concept of forcing you to run dungeons for enchanting instead of buying it, is flawed. Mainly because those who are going for +9/+12 in the end game will not spend the absurd amount of gold to buy the items when they might already have a stockpile, regardless of being purchased or not. Or they will farm BAMs, which gets you gold, items and tokens to buy vendor gear. Which gets you the items you need, and spare cash.

To straight up buy items, can be up to 10x more expensive then spending the time to farm the items yourself. The only way that the BOP argument makes sense is if you are entirely reliant on Chronoscrolls for gold.

And even Chager later clarified not all gear will be BOP
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Nitzleplick on 03/21/2012, 09:05 AM - view
Keyral on 03/21/2012, 08:54 AM

Let's say this is 100% true without any actual facts or data supporting this....

What EME and BHS doesn't understand is the Market for originality is growing more each year. Most players like myself couldn't give a rat's [filtered] about the western Market anymore. We played this before we've done this before we are now looking for something New something different.

We are not looking for the same [filtered] we have been playing year and year for the last 10 years.... Turning it into the same [filtered] will make us search for something else.


Yes, clearly you know better just walking in the door, than the people who've been following Tera for the last 2 years. Who've been playing MMOs for a long period of time. And generally display a fundamental understanding of how the genre works.

Coming in the door, you are saying everything is wrong, wrong, wrong! It has to be like this! this has to be like that! and if, and if En Masse doesn't change it, the game will die! You are not the first person to say this. And the only reason i'm responding to you, is because I have an absurd level of patience. Because most people on this forum are not going to bother responding to this. For the hundred thousandth time.

You'll get fed up with what EME is doing, leave and find a different asian MMO, and the world will keep turning. Just because Tera is not right for you, does not mean it's right for anyone. This has been their plan from day 1. They've told us about it from day 1. You seem shocked that they are doing this, because this is your day 1. You may feel it is condescending to you, but I cannot stress enough you lack vital understanding about the company as a whole. And if you don't like it. Save yourself some hair and find an MMO that works for you.


Prove to me you have been following Tera for the last two years instead of the last 2 months.

I can also say I have been doing 1000 things without any proof what so ever.... Hello I'm a 18 year old virgin girl with DD breasts size 1 pants and weight 109Lb's oh and blonde hair green eyes....
See what I did there...... I made up a bunch of stuff without any proof what so ever....

Since I'm apparently just walking in the door when i do more research than most of you and have been playing MMO's for a very long time especially Asian MMO's I know exactly what developers are saying and what to look out for when a developer is saying something and what they actually mean when they say it...

Now where is the proof on your claim that this was their plan since day one??? where??? Uhh-huh..... SOoo if their intentions since day one was to get rid of player pet stores and boxes of mischief why is it currently in the game right now still? Why did they have it for us to see in the first place and use in the first place.... Just to take it away... Looks like to me you have no idea what you are talking about... I also cannot stress enough that their is no understanding when it comes to EME because they have not explained why they only explained how. How can I understand a company that refused to explain themselves... You say you have been following Tera for 2 years but there is no proof in anything you say backing this up. They also have no explained themselves for 2 years at all...

Again wtf are you talking about

odine Profile Options #1136

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Well that was a waste of my time I see now.

Nitzle has no proof! Noone has proof of anything. Just assumptions the person that said that ^^ is definitly correct, but im done with this. I might say something here and there, but you cant argue/discuss things with a brick wall! People in this thread (myself included) just want to see things the way they want to see it
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Nitzleplick on 03/21/2012, 09:13 AM - view
odine on 03/21/2012, 09:06 AM
I would quote Nitzle but after several refreshes quote not working!

OFC they didnt come out and say "Hey buy TERA its just like its asian counterpart" Who in their right mind would market like that!?!?!?

Nitlze, I'm aware its your opinion, but you and many others, have a way of saying things where it just simply seems like "I dont need the feature so nobody else does" because when it all boils down its a feature. Pet shops dont ruin the AH and mischieve boxes aren't forced on anyone.

The already announced changes already scream that the enchanting system is going to be altered, now changing that will definitly mess up tera. Why do i assume this? The boxes were RNG for people who wanted to use them, but rather than adjust the rate they just dropped it! If they didnt like the RNG in boxes i'll tell you right now they definitly dont like how enchanting RNG is! The BOP changes also directly affect enchanting. While it may not be all items being changed it will be enough that will require ALOT of dungeon spamming just to get sacrificials to be able to enchant!

Do you see where im going with this now at all?


Just to clarify, buying golds for Enchanting is the worst thing you can do. The concept of forcing you to run dungeons for enchanting instead of buying it, is flawed. Mainly because those who are going for +9/+12 in the end game will not spend the absurd amount of gold to buy the items when they might already have a stockpile, regardless of being purchased or not. Or they will farm BAMs, which gets you gold, items and tokens to buy vendor gear. Which gets you the items you need, and spare cash.

To straight up buy items, can be up to 10x more expensive then spending the time to farm the items yourself. The only way that the BOP argument makes sense is if you are entirely reliant on Chronoscrolls for gold.

And even Chager later clarified not all gear will be BOP


He never once mentioned anything about buying gold....
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Keyral on 03/21/2012, 09:17 AM - view

Prove to me you have been following Tera for the last two years instead of the last 2 months.


To clarify I was speaking of the FGTs going back 2 years, and the community EME established. While I learned about Tera 2 years ago, I started becoming involved prior to the KTera launch in early January 2011, and was involved in the CPE, and worked to create Tera Codex in that time. But many of the people on this forum HAVE been here for 2 years now.

Unfortunately people voted not the archive the old forums, and now every day we are seeing the inability to quote En Masse from the beginning on the localization.
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Keyral on 03/21/2012, 09:21 AM - view
Nitzleplick on 03/21/2012, 09:13 AM
odine on 03/21/2012, 09:06 AM
I would quote Nitzle but after several refreshes quote not working!

OFC they didnt come out and say "Hey buy TERA its just like its asian counterpart" Who in their right mind would market like that!?!?!?

Nitlze, I'm aware its your opinion, but you and many others, have a way of saying things where it just simply seems like "I dont need the feature so nobody else does" because when it all boils down its a feature. Pet shops dont ruin the AH and mischieve boxes aren't forced on anyone.

The already announced changes already scream that the enchanting system is going to be altered, now changing that will definitly mess up tera. Why do i assume this? The boxes were RNG for people who wanted to use them, but rather than adjust the rate they just dropped it! If they didnt like the RNG in boxes i'll tell you right now they definitly dont like how enchanting RNG is! The BOP changes also directly affect enchanting. While it may not be all items being changed it will be enough that will require ALOT of dungeon spamming just to get sacrificials to be able to enchant!

Do you see where im going with this now at all?


Just to clarify, buying golds for Enchanting is the worst thing you can do. The concept of forcing you to run dungeons for enchanting instead of buying it, is flawed. Mainly because those who are going for +9/+12 in the end game will not spend the absurd amount of gold to buy the items when they might already have a stockpile, regardless of being purchased or not. Or they will farm BAMs, which gets you gold, items and tokens to buy vendor gear. Which gets you the items you need, and spare cash.

To straight up buy items, can be up to 10x more expensive then spending the time to farm the items yourself. The only way that the BOP argument makes sense is if you are entirely reliant on Chronoscrolls for gold.

And even Chager later clarified not all gear will be BOP


He never once mentioned anything about buying gold....


No, I said he clarified not all gear will be BOP. Please re-read.
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Nitzleplick on 03/21/2012, 09:22 AM - view
Stuff


Okay let me level with you here and put an end to this... Everything you are saying is still an estimation of what you think EME is doing vs what is actually going on.

Even if you have been following EME for 2 years you have no more information regarding what is actually going on than anyone else here. So everything you have been saying in this thread is just your opinion and your interpretation of what is happening / going on. Therefor you aren't in any position to be talking like you do in fact know everything....

The people posting in this thread do not want these changes we have stated why and we have also tried to take up arms to teach the community that there were other ways of handling this like teaching them about the UI filter like teaching them that you do not need to use them if you don't like them... Teaching the community that the AH with or without the Player stores would still remain the central hub for trading.

This thread is our feedback on the changes and we going to give it whether you think we should or not. Everything you have said so far was dis-proven by me simply saying show me proof.