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ChoppaGurl on 03/21/2012, 12:03 PM - view

Think about your own paragraph for a moment. Pets and AH were the only TWO ways people could trade with each other in-game. And they ARE content whether you recognize it or not.

Now that optional trading and very convenient route, is gone.

So what's left? An Auction-House that can be turned off by a vanarch at any-time. Can't use a pet cus now you have to run city to city just to find a place where AH is working even if your way out somewhere.


You can trade with players

Also, if you have a Vanarch who spends his policy points to turn off an Auction House, in a hub town. Then don't vote for him next time?

Here's a clue, Vanarchs can do FAR worse than turning off an AH. You're going to actually have to get involved in the the server community to stop this.

If pets are entirely optional, why not make them off by default? Because to make them actualy "work" they have to be an eyesore to the entire playerbase. You seem to have no problem pointing at me and saying i'm enforcing your opinions on me, and calling me a prick and a fanboy for disagreeing with you. But then turn around and do the same thing.

So, EME on the first hand, is using the slots that were used for arguably useless content, to replace it with more useful content, and this is game-gutting.

And to clarify again, Pet stores are not unique, not by a long shot. And they are not good. There is no reason to have them, except for nostalgia.
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Nitzleplick on 03/21/2012, 12:32 PM - view
ChoppaGurl on 03/21/2012, 12:03 PM

Think about your own paragraph for a moment. Pets and AH were the only TWO ways people could trade with each other in-game. And they ARE content whether you recognize it or not.

Now that optional trading and very convenient route, is gone.

So what's left? An Auction-House that can be turned off by a vanarch at any-time. Can't use a pet cus now you have to run city to city just to find a place where AH is working even if your way out somewhere.


You can trade with players

Also, if you have a Vanarch who spends his policy points to turn off an Auction House, in a hub town. Then don't vote for him next time?

Here's a clue, Vanarchs can do FAR worse than turning off an AH. You're going to actually have to get involved in the the server community to stop this.

If pets are entirely optional, why not make them off by default? Because to make them actualy "work" they have to be an eyesore to the entire playerbase. You seem to have no problem pointing at me and saying i'm enforcing your opinions on me, and calling me a prick and a fanboy for disagreeing with you. But then turn around and do the same thing.

So, EME on the first hand, is using the slots that were used for arguably useless content, to replace it with more useful content, and this is game-gutting.

And to clarify again, Pet stores are not unique, not by a long shot. And they are not good. There is no reason to have them, except for nostalgia.


And again your reasoning is your own...

You have no proof that they will be replaced with better content

There are reasons other than Nostalgia to have them..

The only thing out of all your posts that make any since at all is having them off by default.. That's fine with me I'd accept that. Everything else is utter bull[filtered] created only by you backed by no facts and no proof. Your opinion nothing more.
ChoppaGurl Profile Options #1153

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You can trade with players

Also, if you have a Vanarch who spends his policy points to turn off an Auction House, in a hub town. Then don't vote for him next time?

Here's a clue, Vanarchs can do FAR worse than turning off an AH. You're going to actually have to get involved in the the server community to stop this.

If pets are entirely optional, why not make them off by default? Because to make them actualy "work" they have to be an eyesore to the entire playerbase. You seem to have no problem pointing at me and saying i'm enforcing your opinions on me, and calling me a prick and a fanboy for disagreeing with you. But then turn around and do the same thing.

So, EME on the first hand, is using the slots that were used for arguably useless content, to replace it with more useful content, and this is game-gutting.

And to clarify again, Pet stores are not unique, not by a long shot. And they are not good. There is no reason to have them, except for nostalgia.[/quote]

Rofl an eye-sore. What you mean is as simple as turning options off in settings? How's that an eye-sore?

Or restricting pets to one area inside of towns. There were plenty of ways this could have been done instead of the same ol "yank and begone" route that's so common with EME.

How do you know pet-shops weren't any "good"? Have you even seen or tried Pet-shops during CB2/CB1?

How about K-Tera/JP? Their doing plenty fine over there.

And your also forgetting vanarchs don't *have* to be voted in to rule. They can also fight to rule an area as well. And if your talking about the in-game taxes, sure!

Now that pets are gone guess what? AH's gonna rise because now the vanarch has more power-given on how the game goes.

There's only one way to trade now, and that's through AH. No more pets selling for players while their out in a dungeon( with degenerated health over-time), no more ways to trade if there isn't a AH in a town/city. Can't trade at post-stops now either.

What pets gave was two ways players could trade, even with AH off. So now, unless they nuke vanarch options (aka MORE game gutting) trading is only through AH.


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Taosym Profile Options #1154

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ChoppaGurl on 03/21/2012, 12:37 PM - view

Rofl an eye-sore. What you mean is as simple as turning options off in settings? How's that an eye-sore?

Or restricting pets to one area inside of towns. There were plenty of ways this could have been done instead of the same ol "yank and begone" route that's so common with EME.

How do you know pet-shops weren't any "good"? Have you even seen or tried Pet-shops during CB2/CB1?

How about K-Tera/JP? Their doing plenty fine over there.

And your also forgetting vanarchs don't *have* to be voted in to rule. They can also fight to rule an area as well. And if your talking about the in-game taxes, sure!

Now that pets are gone guess what? AH's gonna rise rise riiiiiise high to the sky because now the vanarch has more power-given on how the game goes.

There's only one way to trade now, and that's through AH.


I think you misunderstand how much power Vanarchs, and Exarchs will have. Let alone those who control Juras Ark. They can do a lot more then hiding the AH, and raising taxes.

Sure, let's hide pets, move them to a special room in Velika. Or let's turn them off by default. As long as you have the FEELING that they still exist, and that they havn't removed. Because by getting rid of NPCs in cities and towns to you, makes you feel that the game is "dying".

To be honest, even if EME is listening intently, and bringing this issue up in their meetings. All they will hear is how you have been personally attacking them, calling them idiots and otherwise insulting them because they are killing the game. You have yet to share your opinions in an eloquent way without resorting to personally attacking anyone who disagrees with you.
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Austinkun Profile Options #1155

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Wow. Some serious hostility in this thread...

The pet shops had to go.. I'm sorry. But they were SERIOUSLY getting in the way of things. They make players lag and they're annoying, they get in the way of NPCs... and you cant even see where you're going through the army of pets sitting around with shops.

And for those saying WELL THEN WHY DONT YOU TURN THEM OFF, if they can be turned off, then they're practically useless are they not? They might as well be gone if the majority of players are going to ignore your pet shops and use the AH anyway.

I dont agree with BoP items at all however.

And as for the Boxes of Mischief, good riddance. They were a stupid gimmick "feature" that I never once succeeded with. They were a ridiculous part of this game and I never once thought about using them once the main game started.

People shouldn't be freaking out about the BoP items just yet. We don't know how many items are going to be BoP and we dont know how it will affect the game just yet. So, while I also disagree, don't get so upset over it.
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FallguySoldier on 03/21/2012, 08:54 AM - view
113 pages long so I'm bound to have missed it... but has EME responded to this thread recently?


They did. Unfortunately instead of being able to provide useful information they instead had to deal with the trolls and kids such as nobody/keyral/choppagirl. Since they post hundreds and hundreds of times with the same post over and over, real feedback from either side is too hard to come by.

Choppa and friends want the game to be Aion 2.0. They'd prefer the game to never be changed or improved. Rather than make the game available for all, they'd prefer to make gameplay features that you aren't even allowed to use without a supercomputer. They want mischief boxes to drop off BAMs and dungeon bosses instead of loot that people could use. They'd prefer crafting to be made obsolete and useless by boe enchant fodder rather than have a real economy. They want everybody to quit the game until there are 3 servers left and it becomes f2p.

It's a shame really.
ChoppaGurl Profile Options #1157

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If EME listened(or at-least looked like they were) to their player-base then the mass amount of threads and polls people did for Pets *could* have been considered...but apparently those players don't count.

They already have what they want set, from focus groups etc. It's just being rolled out one session at a time, so at this point it doesn't even matter if players put polls or threads up at this point it seems because it'll be completely disregarded.

Pets are gone and could *possibly* be considered vanity pets in the future. For now that is unknown when that could happen. Right now, they are *gone*. Maybe when the game hits F2P.

Rofl. If constructive criticism bothers you then feel free not to comment. Other people have stated as to why, or why not Pets should be in-game, and yes if it seems as if it is going to do more damage to the game then good, then they will say it.

@Inda
Anyone that doesn't necessarily agree with you is suddenly a "kid" by your definition or trolls? Righto', it's just pretty common working functions get yanked in the game so easily...Tera is suppose to be different, not another WoW clone or a Guilds War 2.
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Austinkun on 03/21/2012, 12:55 PM - view
The pet shops had to go.. I'm sorry. But they were SERIOUSLY getting in the way of things. They make players lag and they're annoying, they get in the way of NPCs... and you cant even see where you're going through the army of pets sitting around with shops.

And for those saying WELL THEN WHY DONT YOU TURN THEM OFF, if they can be turned off, then they're practically useless are they not? They might as well be gone if the majority of players are going to ignore your pet shops and use the AH anyway.


Personally, I'm well over the fact that pet shops are being removed. It seems like that's the route that EME has taken so there's not much to be said and done about it. However, I do propose a rhetorical question: What makes the lag caused by pet shops anymore different than the lag caused by everyone converging on ONE trade broker NPC? Sure, I can see the lag not spreading out as far as a whole plaza, but by the time you approach the vicinity of the trade broker, it'll be just as bad if not worse. Good luck even trying to find the NPC with so many all at one spot (literally).

Which is why (and I must've said this a million times now, hopefully EME is listening lol), I suggest that Trade Broker NPC also be removed, but transfer that AH functionality as a feature that can be accessed through the menu, very much like LFG and Enchanting. This way, there won't be any crowds of any sort (no crowds of pet merchants, no crowds of players over one NPC). And people can access it pretty much anywhere and at any time, so long as they're inside a town or city (to alleviate any form of abuse).

@ Inda: I think the last post I've seen from EME must have been around between page 30 to 50. From there on, haven't seen anything since. Then again, I haven't tracked this thread as religiously as some people here lol. Only reason why I'm asking for their input is because I'm really curious as to what effect people's comments have had on this upcoming CBT; will we see their original plans implemented, or will there be tweaks, or will nothing happen at all?
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FallguySoldier on 03/21/2012, 01:06 PM - view

@ Inda: I think the last post I've seen from EME must have been around between page 30 to 50. From there on, haven't seen anything since. Then again, I haven't tracked this thread as religiously as some people here lol. Only reason why I'm asking for their input is because I'm really curious as to what effect people's comments have had on this upcoming CBT; will we see their original plans implemented, or will there be tweaks, or will nothing happen at all?


I'd guess we'll have these features in CBT4 and then be commenting on them in the feedback forums. I hope that they, like most of the thinking people in this thread, have chosen to ignore the spamming trolls. I do hope Keyral gets the ignore feature put in and will be omw to support that now. Would be nice to have this thread be 50 pages of legitimate feedback rather than 116 of useless regurgitation thanks to spammers.
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You know, all it would take from EME to shut everyone up is, give as an actual reason why the features were changed. Not just because it will help centralize buying/selling. That is a stupid reason that makes no sense at all.

All they have to do is say, pets caused too much lag and we don't know how to fix the problem, or something that is valid. Removing them because they have all these numbers to look at is a very bad answer. These so called numbers are not accurate for many reasons.

1- Internal Testing is a very small number to base this on.
2- Alpha Testing is also a small number to base this on.
3- CTB1-3 so far is not a good reason to base this on. We play 2-3 days every 2 weeks, and we do not have the need to use the pets at this time. So basing it off of this is also silly.

They need to allow the pets to go main stream in the live game and once the numbers come back, they will realize that people use them more then thay realized and then they can make a proper decision. Coming up with these so called fabricated numbers is stupid and a lie. There is no possible way they could have proper metrics to go off of during the time of internal and CBT. Not possible, unless they want inaccurate information.

The boxes on the other hand is just a plain dumb reason to remove them. A producer or whoever it was had a bad streak and decided it should be taken out? Seriously? Wth is wrong with these programmers these days?