Instance Matching System Bonus Removal

Kolde Profile Options #141

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Kudos EnMasse. Removing the bonus rewards for LFD does make a lot of sense. I'd also like to see the opposite happen though, i.e. reward those who group in server/guild. This would be a fair compromise to suit the more hardcore/community focused player-base. If any of the casual players want to get in on the action, join a guild!

As a PvE player, I'm happy the teleport to dungeon feature has not been removed. It's pretty annoying to have to wait 20+ minutes for everyone to drop what they're doing and make their way over. And the feature doesn't kill anything in my play environment. I could really care less about the whole open world PvP (a.k.a. gank-a-thon), but that's why I rolled my main on a PvE server. If they could kill it on PvP and keep it in tact for PvE, I'm all for it.

Please keep the cross-server LFD as well. I know what it's like to have to work the grave-yard shift and be in LFG for hours and finding nothing but the gold-farmers grinding away.
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meepz on 04/14/2012, 09:58 AM - view
Kudos EnMasse. Removing the bonus rewards for LFD does make a lot of sense. I'd also like to see the opposite happen though, i.e. reward those who group in server/guild. This would be a fair compromise to suit the more hardcore/community focused player-base. If any of the casual players want to get in on the action, join a guild!

As a PvE player, I'm happy the teleport to dungeon feature has not been removed. It's pretty annoying to have to wait 20+ minutes for everyone to drop what they're doing and make their way over. And the feature doesn't kill anything in my play environment. I could really care less about the whole open world PvP (a.k.a. gank-a-thon), but that's why I rolled my main on a PvE server. If they could kill it on PvP and keep it in tact for PvE, I'm all for it.

Please keep the cross-server LFD as well. I know what it's like to have to work the grave-yard shift and be in LFG for hours and finding nothing but the gold-farmers grinding away.


All of the people crying about these bonuses are the ones that have no experience with them in KTera. The bonuses being given were really minor but still helpful and by no means did they FORCE you into going with the LFD tool exclusively. You guys screwed yourself basically. Just dumb.

EDIT: But I can't blame the minority / vocal whiners for this. The blame is squarely on EME who clearly makes knee-jerk reactions to damn near everything. It's just ridiculous.
Edited by: HowitzerX about 1 year ago
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HowitzerX on 04/14/2012, 10:12 AM - view

All of the people crying about these bonuses are the ones that have no experience with them in KTera. The bonuses being given were really minor but still helpful and by no means did they FORCE you into going with the LFD tool exclusively. You guys screwed yourself basically. Just dumb.


So you're saying the rewards do provide some sort of advantage, although minor. Even though it's small, why would you reward people who random as opposed to those who try to promote the community? I just don't buy it...
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HowitzerX on 04/14/2012, 09:46 AM - view
Youthm on 04/14/2012, 09:45 AM
HowitzerX on 04/14/2012, 09:34 AM
Minea on 04/13/2012, 05:58 PM
Hello, TERA fans!

There have been a lot of discussions on the Instance Matching system’s bonuses and we have been listening to your feedback closely. In response to our community’s concern, we have great news to share with you today!

We are currently working on TERA’s launch build so that it will not provide the additional bonuses when using the Instance Matching system. However, we may elect to include bonuses in the future to encourage lower level characters group more. The Instance Matching system will continue to utilize cross-server search to assist players in finding others for instance dungeons.

We will have the adjusted Instance Matching System at launch on 5/1. Thank you for sharing your feedback and thoughts with us!


Glad your company listens to the minority of whiners on your forums. It'll make for a really solid game in the long run. *shakes head*


Minority? Read the forums....

Now you will say... Vocal majority != majority. and i will tell you BS... if u want to be rewarded for nothing, go play WoW...


Amazes me how trolls always have the same damn answer to everything: "go play wow"


Amazes me how everyone against this change blames it on vocal majority. Haven't heard that one yet...
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HowitzerX on 04/14/2012, 10:12 AM - view
meepz on 04/14/2012, 09:58 AM
Kudos EnMasse. Removing the bonus rewards for LFD does make a lot of sense. I'd also like to see the opposite happen though, i.e. reward those who group in server/guild. This would be a fair compromise to suit the more hardcore/community focused player-base. If any of the casual players want to get in on the action, join a guild!

As a PvE player, I'm happy the teleport to dungeon feature has not been removed. It's pretty annoying to have to wait 20+ minutes for everyone to drop what they're doing and make their way over. And the feature doesn't kill anything in my play environment. I could really care less about the whole open world PvP (a.k.a. gank-a-thon), but that's why I rolled my main on a PvE server. If they could kill it on PvP and keep it in tact for PvE, I'm all for it.

Please keep the cross-server LFD as well. I know what it's like to have to work the grave-yard shift and be in LFG for hours and finding nothing but the gold-farmers grinding away.


All of the people crying about these bonuses are the ones that have no experience with them in KTera. The bonuses being given were really minor but still helpful and by no means did they FORCE you into going with the LFD tool exclusively. You guys screwed yourself basically. Just dumb.

EDIT: But I can't blame the minority / vocal whiners for this. The blame is squarely on EME who clearly makes knee-jerk reactions to damn near everything. It's just ridiculous.


Been hearing a lot about this enchant powder that sells for a mill +. Doesn't sound minor to me.

Oh Hey! Another vocal majority/minority defence. Good choice.
Mykro Profile Options #146

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I think this is a good change. I can't believe how negative people are on these forums. I guess it is that way with every MMO though.

To those saying EME just "gave into the complaining minority on this"... I would say that EME, like any good company, listens to players concerns on the forums, then discuss the complaints internally. Many times complaints are not founded in good reasoning and can be ignored, but other times the complaints are legitimate complaints. They take these legitimate complaints, discuss them internally, and then make a decision. So EME "didn't give into complainers", EME listened to the people who had problems with the system, and made changes that they themselves thought would be beneficial.

I think it is a good change. I agree that people who spend the time to get a group together, or want to group with their friends, should not be given less rewards than those who get grouped randomly. I think the change is a good one (to remove the bonus for using the dungeon finder).

I am not sure removing the bonus buffs is a good idea though. Groups of guildmates/friends tend to be more coordinated than a random pug group. So if the end game "hard mode" content is truly hard, pug groups may have trouble beating those dungeons (without the bonus buffs). If the result is EME making the dungeons easier, than they could be too easy for premades, and that would not be good. So its a hard balance. It is important to make sure the content is both doable for pugs without too much frustration, but also hard enough to be entertaining for a premade group. I think the bonus buffs were not a bad idea, and may be a mistake to take them out.
Edited by: Mykro about 1 year ago
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HowitzerX on 04/14/2012, 10:12 AM - view
meepz on 04/14/2012, 09:58 AM
Kudos EnMasse. Removing the bonus rewards for LFD does make a lot of sense. I'd also like to see the opposite happen though, i.e. reward those who group in server/guild. This would be a fair compromise to suit the more hardcore/community focused player-base. If any of the casual players want to get in on the action, join a guild!

As a PvE player, I'm happy the teleport to dungeon feature has not been removed. It's pretty annoying to have to wait 20+ minutes for everyone to drop what they're doing and make their way over. And the feature doesn't kill anything in my play environment. I could really care less about the whole open world PvP (a.k.a. gank-a-thon), but that's why I rolled my main on a PvE server. If they could kill it on PvP and keep it in tact for PvE, I'm all for it.

Please keep the cross-server LFD as well. I know what it's like to have to work the grave-yard shift and be in LFG for hours and finding nothing but the gold-farmers grinding away.


All of the people crying about these bonuses are the ones that have no experience with them in KTera. The bonuses being given were really minor but still helpful and by no means did they FORCE you into going with the LFD tool exclusively. You guys screwed yourself basically. Just dumb.

EDIT: But I can't blame the minority / vocal whiners for this. The blame is squarely on EME who clearly makes knee-jerk reactions to damn near everything. It's just ridiculous.



You could say that EME makes Knee Jerk reactions, or you could say that they quickly address concerns and problems. I would say the latter is a good thing, and should be more common in MMO's.
Mykro Profile Options #148

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Mykro on 04/14/2012, 11:26 AM - view
I think this is a good change. I can't believe how negative people are on these forums. I guess it is that way with every MMO though.

To those saying EME just "gave into the complaining minority on this"... I would say that EME, like any good company, listens to players concerns on the forums, then discuss the complaints internally. Many times complaints are not founded in good reasoning and can be ignored, but other times the complaints are legitimate complaints. They take these legitimate complaints, discuss them internally, and then make a decision. So EME "didn't give into complainers", EME listened to the people who had problems with the system, and made changes that they themselves thought would be beneficial.

I think it is a good change. I agree that people who spend the time to get a group together, or want to group with their friends, should not be given less rewards than those who get grouped randomly. I think the change is a good one (to remove the bonus for using the dungeon finder).

I am not sure removing the bonus buffs is a good idea though. Groups of guildmates/friends tend to be more coordinated than a random pug group. So if the end game "hard mode" content is truly hard, pug groups may have trouble beating those dungeons (without the buffs). If the result is EME making the dungeons easier, than they could be too easy for premades, and that would not be good. So its a hard balance. It is important to make sure the content is both doable for pugs without too much frustration, but also hard enough to be entertaining for a premade group. I think the bonus buffs were not a bad idea, and may be a mistake to take them out.
Edited by: Mykro about 1 year ago
Psychopathy Profile Options #149

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I personally feel it's not ideal because there is still cross server, but now that there are no bonuses, I won't feel like I have to look for at least 1 pub to do dungeons, I can go with 5 friends without feeling bad about it.

Thank you for this change.
Raike Profile Options #150

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Solid job, EME. While I think that cross-server LFD is a wonderful tool to have (sometimes people on your server just aren't interested in specific dungeons you need/want), there shouldn't be any reason to give people that utilize it EXTRA rewards. Putting together a group on the same server for a run doesn't offer anything extra, so why should LFD?

The draw for LFD is the faster process of getting a group together for an instance that you need and don't have time to spam chat all day for. That's a reward in and of itself. Thank you, EME. I think this was a good change.