Launch Gift: Golden Dragon Weapon Skins

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Darkcerb on 05/04/2012, 10:30 AM - view
There is no "better" looking anything it's entirely subjective, which makes most of your post redundant. Especially the second half.

And yes that's my point it's all opinions which are going to be voiced no matter how right you feel your views of the entirely subjective are.
Then, if your point is that some people might prefer the EU ones and something should be done about it, yet you say that I'm in the wrong for giving reasons why they don't need to be or how, opinions aside, one set is more uniform than the other, than what's the point of everyone complaining about what we got?

How can I somehow be in the wrong for saying "it's fine, we got something different, hope we'll have access to them to add it in the future", yet others are somehow in the right for saying "our versions suck, GIVE US THEIR VERSION"?



Again:
1) We got something different.
2) You like EU's stuff better? Some like NA's stuff better.
3) If you want EU's stuff, then ask politely, calmly, reasonably and maturely that they be considered for extra gifts through events or through cash shop.
4) Don't like 1-3? Deal with it.

Objectively, what we got is more even across the board. Whether it's evenly good or evenly bad, that's up to you to figure out.

You are complaining that what EU got is "better" than what NA got? If we got what EU did, there would be some that would be complaining that what CLASS A got was better than what CLASS B got. Take the lesser of two evils and run with it.
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Tamoketh on 05/04/2012, 10:58 AM - view
Darkcerb on 05/04/2012, 10:30 AM
There is no "better" looking anything it's entirely subjective, which makes most of your post redundant. Especially the second half.

And yes that's my point it's all opinions which are going to be voiced no matter how right you feel your views of the entirely subjective are.
Then, if your point is that some people might prefer the EU ones and something should be done about it, yet you say that I'm in the wrong for giving reasons why they don't need to be or how, opinions aside, one set is more uniform than the other, than what's the point of everyone complaining about what we got?

How can I somehow be in the wrong for saying "it's fine, we got something different, hope we'll have access to them to add it in the future", yet others are somehow in the right for saying "our versions suck, GIVE US THEIR VERSION"?



Again:
1) We got something different.
2) You like EU's stuff better? Some like NA's stuff better.
3) If you want EU's stuff, then ask politely, calmly, reasonably and maturely that they be considered for extra gifts through events or through cash shop.
4) Don't like 1-3? Deal with it.

Objectively, what we got is more even across the board. Whether it's evenly good or evenly bad, that's up to you to figure out.

You are complaining that what EU got is "better" than what NA got? If we got what EU did, there would be some that would be complaining that what CLASS A got was better than what CLASS B got. Take the lesser of two evils and run with it.


They're in the right because they're voicing their opinions just as you are.

People should be allowed and even encouraged to complain or put forward what they think would improve a product nothing ever improved without it.

You became wrong the moment you started saying you were right about an entirely subjective subject. Especially as you pointed out why in your own post. You claimed the consistency of what we got was a good thing and decried the eu versions for being "samey" what you see as bad others will certainly see as good there is no objective way to compare the appearance of the two sets.

And finally you and others still aren't reading my posts, I'm not debating which looks better or demanding we swap or get both because I can say with fair confidence that that's never going to happen the moment two company's were chosen it was fairly obvious that they wouldn't be friends.

I'm saying and have said since my first post that it's entirely subjective.

And that if people want to complain they should which applies to any facet of any product.
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Rampancy on 05/04/2012, 06:30 AM - view
Whoa I was tired last night. Anyway this is entertaining so here's a TLDR:

EM: Guess what guys? FREE GIFTS! HUZZAH!
Crybabies: WAAAAA WTF?! ITS NOT THE SAME AS EU!
Common Sense: Stop complaining, it's a free gift. They never said it'd be the same.
Crybabies: It's not fair! Life isn't fair! I like the other stuff better and I get what I want! Why should it be different?
Common Sense: Because life isn't fair and stuff is different between markets.
Crybabies: LOL I don't have to make a valid argument
Common Sense: ooooooook


why, EXACTLY, do things need to be different between markets? offer BOTH sets to BOTH markets. how can that be a BAD thing?
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Darkcerb on 05/04/2012, 08:26 PM - view
They're in the right because they're voicing their opinions just as you are.

People should be allowed and even encouraged to complain or put forward what they think would improve a product nothing ever improved without it.
There's a difference between "constructive criticism that can help something improve and grow" and "crying for no good explanation with unreasonable demands". Products improve because of "well, this engine works well, but it makes handling awkward because of it's position... lets reshape it and reposition it to be a little lighter, keep the same power, and have the center of gravity and weight distribution be more balanced". Products rarely improve because of "That car has a V8, so I want my smart car to have a V8!! I PAID FOR IT, SO I WANT IT!!"

If people like the EU weapons, fine. Good for them. If they would like to have access to the EU weapons, great! Get a conversation going about reasonable options, such as having them be awarded for people that get a certain sub (6-months or 1-year), or as part of a later event, or even as part of a future cash shop. Heck, given enough valid, intelligent and good reasons, you could even ask to have the EU weapons for free to US and the US weapons for free to EU. You just have to actually put some thought, effort and valid reasons into it.

If you don't like the US versions, love the EU versions, and say "take back the US versions and give us the EU versions!" or "the US versions suck, give us the EU versions for free!"... well, that's a whole lot different then the "thought, effort and valid reasons" that would actually get any kind of progress. Besides, you like the EU versions? Fine for you. If you ask to get the EU versions instead of the US versions... well, what about those that are perfectly happy and like the US versions? Now, no only are you being immature, unreasonable and irrational, but you are taking away something from others for your own selfish gain.

Darkcerb on 05/04/2012, 08:26 PM - view
You became wrong the moment you started saying you were right about an entirely subjective subject. Especially as you pointed out why in your own post. You claimed the consistency of what we got was a good thing and decried the eu versions for being "samey" what you see as bad others will certainly see as good there is no objective way to compare the appearance of the two sets.
Actually, there is. At the very base of it, ignoring whether you like the looks or not, you can compare the weapons as a set in an objective and unbiased manor:

-all the US (Golden Dragon) weapons are the same style or similar style to weapons we already have
It doesn't matter if you think gold = God or gold = Satan, the fact is that the Golden Dragon Lancer set looks like a Lance and Shield. The Slayer looks liked a two-handed Sword. The Priest like a Staff, etc. This is not 'opinion', 'preference' or 'choice', that's just how it is. All classes have their weapons that look exactly like the normally do.

-some of the EU weapons are the same style or similar style to weapons we already have while others are different
Once again, it doesn't matter if what you do and don't like, this is a fact that can't not be agued. The Priest Staff is just like any other Staff. The Archer's Bow is like any other Bow. However, the Berserker's giant Mace is not like the usual Axe. The Warrior's dual-wielding Axes are NOT like the usual dual-wielding Swords. The Lancer's Sword and Shield ARE NOT like the usual Lance and Shield. I don't care if what your opinions, preferences or likes are, this is something that can not be argued.

So, at the non-bias and objective base, these two sets aren't the same. One, the US ones, offer the same style and 'content' to all the classes, while the other, the EU ones, offer similar versions of old looks to some classes and completely redesigned and completely different versions to other classes.

This, at it's most basic form, shows that the US weapons are more consistent across the board with their offerings and, opinions aside, is the most "fair" set, whether you like it or dislike it.



If you need a way to make is easier to understand, here's an example using something different:
-Two groups of 10 kids are given RED blocks that are completely square.
-In group A, all 10 kids are given the exact same size blocks, but in the color BLUE instead.
-In group B, 5 kids are given more of the exact same size RED blocks, while the other 5 kids are given RED triangle blocks.

It doesn't matter if you HATE red and LOVE blue, the fact remains that group A's offerings were fair and even, while group B's offerings were uneven and unfair.



The REALLY funny part? People are complaining because someone else (EU) got something different than what we (US) got... yet, how many people have complained here that some classes (Archer, Priest, Mystic) get something different with those skins then other classes (Warrior, Slayer, Lancer, Sorcerer)? Well, besides me mentioning it, not one. Yay for consistency! ^_^


Darkcerb on 05/04/2012, 08:26 PM - view
And finally you and others still aren't reading my posts, I'm not debating which looks better or demanding we swap or get both because I can say with fair confidence that that's never going to happen the moment two company's were chosen it was fairly obvious that they wouldn't be friends.

I'm saying and have said since my first post that it's entirely subjective.

And that if people want to complain they should which applies to any facet of any product.
See above.
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I literally don't see your point you're still saying consistent design = better. How does consistent design = fair and even if that's true what does that matter to peoples preference for visuals.

What does who getting what over in the EU have to do with the appearance of the items?

What does different classes not having access to different weapon types matter to the subject?


"-all the US (Golden Dragon) weapons are the same style or similar style to weapons we already have
It doesn't matter if you think gold = God or gold = Satan, the fact is that the Golden Dragon Lancer set looks like a Lance and Shield. The Slayer looks liked a two-handed Sword. The Priest like a Staff, etc. This is not 'opinion', 'preference' or 'choice', that's just how it is. All classes have their weapons that look exactly like the normally do.

-some of the EU weapons are the same style or similar style to weapons we already have while others are different
Once again, it doesn't matter if what you do and don't like, this is a fact that can't not be agued. The Priest Staff is just like any other Staff. The Archer's Bow is like any other Bow. However, the Berserker's giant Mace is not like the usual Axe. The Warrior's dual-wielding Axes are NOT like the usual dual-wielding Swords. The Lancer's Sword and Shield ARE NOT like the usual Lance and Shield. I don't care if what your opinions, preferences or likes are, this is something that can not be argued.

So, at the non-bias and objective base, these two sets aren't the same. One, the US ones, offer the same style and 'content' to all the classes, while the other, the EU ones, offer similar versions of old looks to some classes and completely redesigned and completely different versions to other classes.

This, at it's most basic form, shows that the US weapons are more consistent across the board with their offerings and, opinions aside, is the most "fair" set, whether you like it or dislike it."

I have no idea what your point is, that a sword and shield is different to a lance and shield?

It still doesn't change the fact that which you prefer is *entirely subjective* which was my point.
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Darkcerb on 05/04/2012, 10:32 PM - view
I literally don't see your point you're still saying consistent design = better. How does consistent design = fair and even if that's true what does that matter to peoples preference for visuals.

What does who getting what over in the EU have to do with the appearance of the items?

What does different classes not having access to different weapon types matter to the subject?

I have no idea what your point is, that a sword and shield is different to a lance and shield?

It still doesn't change the fact that which you prefer is *entirely subjective* which was my point.
*sigh*
Really?
Okay, I'll try once more before labeling you a troll and simply moving on.

1) the EU weapons give SOME classes weapons styles that are DIFFERENT then what they normally get. Let me list what the Sorcerer gets for weapons looks: Disc, Disc, Disc, Disc, Disc, Disc, Disc, Disc, Disc, Disc, Disc, Disc, Disc, Disc, Disc, Disc, etc... then they get a BOOK.

Sure, it acts the exact same way and is functionally the same, but they get something that looks completely different and in no way similar then what they had before. Warrior? Dual-wielded Swords, Dual-wielded Swords, Dual-wielded Swords, Dual-wielded Swords, Dual-wielded Swords, Dual-wielded Swords, Dual-wielded Swords, Dual-wielded Swords, Dual-wielded Swords, Dual-wielded Swords, Dual-wielded Swords, etc... then Dual-wielded AXES.

How about Lancers? Lance and Shield, Lance and Shield, Lance and Shield, Lance and Shield, Lance and Shield, Lance and Shield, Lance and Shield, Lance and Shield, Lance and Shield, Lance and Shield, Lance and Shield, Lance and Shield, Lance and Shield, etc... then SWORD and Shield.

How about Archers? Bow, Bow, Bow, Bow, Bow, Bow, Bow, Bow, Bow, Bow, Bow, Bow, Bow, Bow, Bow, Bow, Bow, etc... then, another BOW. Little disappointing.

How about Priest? Staff, Staff, Staff, Staff, Staff, Staff, Staff, Staff, Staff, Staff, Staff, Staff, Staff, Staff, Staff, Staff, etc... then, another STAFF...



Do you really not see the difference between the two first classes and the two last classes?

If not, I'm surprised you even noticed a difference between the US weapons and EU weapons... >_>
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I have no idea what your point is, that a sword and shield is different to a lance and shield?

It still doesn't change the fact that which you prefer is *entirely subjective* which was my point.

Are you reading my posts?

because I don't see how that's a response to it at all.

They're different, good observation? I never claimed they weren't all I've ever claimed is which you prefer is subjective and people have every right to complain should they wish.

Seriously read my posts because atm you're having some other argument with an invisible person who's apparently insisting they're not different.
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my gawd, can't you just be happy your getting something for being part of the launch?

Taste is subjective. But really its a gift.

Don't bite that hand that feeds you. ( however we are the ones paying so who's feeding who :p )
Still.. This shouldn't be a discussion at all.
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Serious question:

Some people are having account problems and have been given 1-3 days game time added to their accounts while EME got things fixed.

I was given 3 days by a GM and today got a email with instructions for getting the free 30 days. Got that to work just fine, huzzah...

Now however, my expiration date is June 6, 2012. So that would mean I wouldn't be charged until June 6th, right? Which would mean I miss the May 31st cut off for the freebies..

I may be wrong....

Cheers,

GG
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Cyanhide on 05/05/2012, 06:36 AM - view
my gawd, can't you just be happy your getting something for being part of the launch?

Taste is subjective. But really its a gift.

Don't bite that hand that feeds you. ( however we are the ones paying so who's feeding who :p )
Still.. This shouldn't be a discussion at all.


then I would honestly rather not have them if I have no choice in what weapon skins i get.