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Shadowblight on 04/27/2012, 07:57 PM - view
Devoire on 04/27/2012, 07:31 PM
"To answer a couple questions...it's 1 Vote per province [15 votes in all for each separate election]. "

"Who can vote?

Vanarchs are elected by popular vote. Any character of level 20 or higher is eligible to vote, but your account is limited to one vote per server."


These contradict.


Mmm, not necessarily. Say for example you get only one vote per server per province. The character itself simply needs to be L20 or higher, doesn't matter which, they're saying. That said, it unfortunately still then doesn't weed out the zerg guilds who will create a guild of alts that thereby go after a second territory within the same term. In order to block that, they'd have to make it so that there'd be a LOT more checking... checking for what though, I'm not even certain, since pretty well anything voting-based can and will be rigged.


Unfortunately we on FreeHolds have zerg guilds with alt "branch" guilds who are rumored to try for more than one territory. This is unfair to the other guilds but I'm hoping since one of their guilds is not level 3 and the leaders are not level 50-60 that they won't have the option to run. But within the next few weeks only time will tell.
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NightVeyl on 05/08/2012, 10:11 AM - view
Shadowblight on 04/27/2012, 07:57 PM
Devoire on 04/27/2012, 07:31 PM
"To answer a couple questions...it's 1 Vote per province [15 votes in all for each separate election]. "



"Who can vote?



Vanarchs are elected by popular vote. Any character of level 20 or higher is eligible to vote, but your account is limited to one vote per server."





These contradict.




Mmm, not necessarily. Say for example you get only one vote per server per province. The character itself simply needs to be L20 or higher, doesn't matter which, they're saying. That said, it unfortunately still then doesn't weed out the zerg guilds who will create a guild of alts that thereby go after a second territory within the same term. In order to block that, they'd have to make it so that there'd be a LOT more checking... checking for what though, I'm not even certain, since pretty well anything voting-based can and will be rigged.




Unfortunately we on FreeHolds have zerg guilds with alt "branch" guilds who are rumored to try for more than one territory. This is unfair to the other guilds but I'm hoping since one of their guilds is not level 3 and the leaders are not level 50-60 that they won't have the option to run. But within the next few weeks only time will tell.


Apparently you missed the memo.



- Who can vote?

Vanarchs are elected by popular vote. Any character of level 20 or higher is eligible to vote, but your ACCOUNT IS LIMITED TO ONE VOTE PER SERVER.

RuQu Profile Options #73

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NightVeyl on 05/08/2012, 10:11 AM - view

Unfortunately we on FreeHolds have zerg guilds with alt "branch" guilds who are rumored to try for more than one territory. This is unfair to the other guilds but I'm hoping since one of their guilds is not level 3 and the leaders are not level 50-60 that they won't have the option to run. But within the next few weeks only time will tell.


I think a few things are missed here.

First, I think you unfairly equate 'large' with 'zerg.'

On Freeholds, Lethality came to this game as a multi-game guild with most of their roster pre-formed. They know each other, and they are organized.

Caprica, on the other hand, formed from scratch on Freeholds on the second day of OBT. We were only in 6th place in size by the end of OBT, but we are now tied with Lethality at the 300 player cap. We are also not a zerg guild, and I get regular requests to join from people who run with our members and are surprised by how friendly, helpful and competent they are. We grow based on our reputation and now have more people wanting in than we can fit.

Second, alts don't increase your vote count.
Third, running an alt guild splits your account votes.

Caprica had to create an alt guild to make room for people, but we have no intention of running Aerilon for a Vanarchy. Since you can only vote once per account, we are capped at 300 accounts, which means running for 1 Vanarchy at 300 votes or 2 at 150, or 3 at 100. By the time you get down to those 100 - 150 vote sizes there is plenty of competition on Freeholds that would make the outcome uncertain. If I remember correctly, your own guild is in that size band, and could potentially come out ahead of Caprica or Lethality...if either of us decides to split our votes.

Now, instead of alt guilds we could create overflow guilds to circumvent the 300 cap, and then have more than 300 accounts. But those guilds would not be under our direct control, they would be an allied guild run by a trusted officer. There is always a risk of schism in such a case, and, regardless, that becomes a matter of alliances and politics which is exactly what this system is about and is perfectly fair.
Edited by: RuQu about 1 year ago
ChrisWorth Profile Options #74

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Yeah no thanks...

I have enough poltical crap thrown at me in real life I do not need to deal with it in a god damn game I am playing to get a break from real life.

chad Profile Options #75

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3k gold is easy to make, people are selling lvl 60 gold weapons for 5-6k and from 58-60 you will make over 2k gold just in quests
Darkiboo Profile Options #76

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"At present, a candidate for vanarch must be at least level 50 and the leader of a level 3 guild with at least 20 members. To raise the level of your guild, earn Catharnach awards by doing guild quests. You’ll need 70 Catharnach awards to raise a guild to level 3."

I know that it says "at present", but how fair is it that a guild leader (with potentially hundreds of lackeys to vote for him because he simply invited that many to his guild) can only run for such a thing? You want to know what a real person trying to be elected does? He tries to win every single vote of complete strangers... A real accomplishment would be to see anyone have the opportunity to do this. I, myself, would be honored for the position but I do not have a guild nor do I intend to start one because I have to.

Solo players seem to get the least out of this game. No guild quests with special rewards; no easy BAM quest completions unless you happen to find others looking for your specialty; little instancing unless you put up with the extreme server lag of cross-server play and more. So far, the only thing I've seen that impacts a player mainly flying solo is achievements.

Yes I know this is an 'MMO' and meant to be played with multiple people; I'm no loner and I'm not saying that there are flocks of them either. What I am saying is that for all of the flashy things, we need to be part of a cult and it's just a tad unfair.
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Darkiboo on 05/08/2012, 12:58 PM - view
"At present, a candidate for vanarch must be at least level 50 and the leader of a level 3 guild with at least 20 members. To raise the level of your guild, earn Catharnach awards by doing guild quests. You’ll need 70 Catharnach awards to raise a guild to level 3."

I know that it says "at present", but how fair is it that a guild leader (with potentially hundreds of lackeys to vote for him because he simply invited that many to his guild) can only run for such a thing? You want to know what a real person trying to be elected does? He tries to win every single vote of complete strangers... A real accomplishment would be to see anyone have the opportunity to do this. I, myself, would be honored for the position but I do not have a guild nor do I intend to start one because I have to.

Solo players seem to get the least out of this game. No guild quests with special rewards; no easy BAM quest completions unless you happen to find others looking for your specialty; little instancing unless you put up with the extreme server lag of cross-server play and more. So far, the only thing I've seen that impacts a player mainly flying solo is achievements.

Yes I know this is an 'MMO' and meant to be played with multiple people; I'm no loner and I'm not saying that there are flocks of them either. What I am saying is that for all of the flashy things, we need to be part of a cult and it's just a tad unfair.


With this game being so guild-oriented, are you seriously surprised about how the politics is set up?

The politics in this game is extremely realistic in that whoeveer wants to legitamately run for public office with a chance of winning, your going to need a lot of support be it from private sectors or interest groups. Guild leaders having the support of their guild is the same concept.
Devoire Profile Options #78

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Shadowblight on 04/27/2012, 07:57 PM - view
Devoire on 04/27/2012, 07:31 PM
"To answer a couple questions...it's 1 Vote per province [15 votes in all for each separate election]. "

"Who can vote?

Vanarchs are elected by popular vote. Any character of level 20 or higher is eligible to vote, but your account is limited to one vote per server."


These contradict.


Mmm, not necessarily. Say for example you get only one vote per server per province. The character itself simply needs to be L20 or higher, doesn't matter which, they're saying. That said, it unfortunately still then doesn't weed out the zerg guilds who will create a guild of alts that thereby go after a second territory within the same term. In order to block that, they'd have to make it so that there'd be a LOT more checking... checking for what though, I'm not even certain, since pretty well anything voting-based can and will be rigged.


...your account is limited to one vote per server.
J2yan Profile Options #79

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Anyone else feel like you shouldn't be able to vote for your own guild? This just seems unfair, the guilds spamming out invites to anyone and everyone reaching 300 people while the more focused guilds limit their members by skill and experience / try to make a tighter guild community get screwed over having only 1/6th to 1/5th the amount of players in the zerg guilds...
Jaeos Profile Options #80

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way i read it is one vote per province, per account, i.e 15 votes but i can't make 2 toons and vote twice in the same province.. which would cut out "zerg" guilds, and just like politics, 3 large guilds can round robin the 3 largest provinces simply by talking to each other and change province every election..