Talking about when mmo's used to require:

People to form large parties to level/farm for hours and get to know eachother.

Exploration was the main part on where you took your character next in the world, not quest a to b to c to d all the way to z with an empty void at the end.

Dieing used to have a penalty (exp loss, lossed gear and unless your party was cool to give it back you can wave bye to it), so it used to mean something and the drama around it was intense.

Getting to the max level took 6 months to 2 years (depending on the MMO) and was an achievement in itself.

Different ways to customize your characters gear built for tanking/dodging/crit/power/hybrids, along with stats.

Players were more respectful to eachother. There weren't as many trolls, in fact troll wasn't a word that was used. Instead the word used was angry basement kid that acts like a jerk because he is trash. Players used to help eachother with getting gear, or leveling, or quests.

I kind of miss the old days. Any other old timers in here?

Of What I See
3/26/08
Written by Snowwhitewolf
AKA Viincent

Looking back of what I see,
back in c2­c3,
People walked with honor and Pride,
Not as many jerks that would hide,
People honored and helped one another,
For when you were in a clan,
You were a sister and a brother,
Not so much deceit that went on,
And people carried themselves so strong,
Than I disappeared,
Went away,
Came back to C4­C5,
And so much has changed,

Now what do I see?
I see arrogance and lies,
I see cheating and dismise,
Clans are not honorable no more,
It's all about who can kick eachother's ass,
And who is better and can last,
Pointing the fingers at who does what,
And walking around with your strut,
Botting and Ebaying everyday,
Instead of grouping together like today,
Whatever happened to honor,
And trust,
Whatever happened to helping eachother,
When it's not a must,
Whatever happened to sisterhood,
And brotherhood,
It all went down the drain,
Because of the greed and lust,
The lust for power,
And Adena,
When it can be taken from you in an hour,
So many hearts that get hurt,
Because others take your name in the dirt,
Of such a beautiful game that was once created,
Has been destroyed by the ones who play it,
They say Lineage II is supposed to be like
In the real world,
Well sadly that is true,
Cuz that is all you see in the real world,
Is arrogance, lust and greed,
Kids taken guns to school,
shooting down there sisters and brothers,
Not showing respect to eachother,
Fathers killing there kids,
As mothers are too,
To which it can turn ones heart blue,
So much hate growing today,
Isn't there enough already,
Come what may,
Hasn't anyone learned yet,
Are people too ignorant to see,
What we are doing to eachother,
in reality,
You do as you wish,
cheat, lie, scam,
grief, and beg,
But of what you show me,
Their's no honor in your hearts,
No faith, or trust,
As to what I see,
A bunch of losers, that can't get a grip,
On Life, in a game,
It will still stay the same,
Till people grow up,
And learn to treat eachother right,
For someday this game,
Can blow up in the night,
A game is to be for fun,
Not to hurt others,
And how you reflect yourself here,
Is how you are seen in real,
So when you want to act stupid on a game,
in the real world you act the same,
LOl, call me what you what,
Emotional, drama,
I don't care,
I know who I am inside and out,
I am an elder player, 
I paid my dues,
So i have my reasons to shout,
Go ahead, chop this poem up,
Ridicule it,
Put it down,
Do as you must,
You are the ones that I never learned to trust,
I see you for who you are,
And sorry but in my eyes, 
You are not a hero,
Not a star.


Another one

They’ll be a day
When you will have to sow
These things you reap
You’ll surely pay
For all these nights
That I could never sleep

When that day comes
I’ll be right here
To see you, as you wail
I’ll watch and smile
And be content
Knowing that you’ll burn in hell

When hatred’s lost
You light the path
And then it’s surely found
You’ll feel the fear
I’ve felt so long
As I prance, and dance…
Abound
You’ll change your life
Yea right, you will…
You’ll try your best to pray
I’ll prey…
Upon your subtleties
Eyes like a deadly ray. 

You say so little;
Forget so much.
I’ll be here to remind you…
With the deadliest touch

Thought you got away?
Can’t escape my clutch
I have to remind you of these things,
And such…

A knife so sharp
It cuts the wind
You’ll get to feel
It’s blade within

You’ll hear the cracking,
Of your heart
Succumb to this dagger
Of vengeful tin.

when i look through rose tinted glasses? yea

when i go back to those old mmo and see how horrible the reality was? nah

go Look up archeage.... :) It will most likely will come to na in about a year.. definately looks like it will bring back the old memories.. hell.. even in the wiki quotes its bascially as Uo and Lineage lol..

Hmm.. pvp .. people actually drop loot. you have 128 different combinations of classes.. u have to plant/water/chop down trees to build a house/boat castle what ever u name it. Yeah... 100v100 siege and the engine can actually handle numbers over 50 without fps drop to 10... lol... im in :)

Quote: Vindlctive on 07/01/2012, 03:04 AM - view

I had a friend show me that game back in 2009, then I looked at the release date.......

So I'm expecting 2014/1015.

Quote: Vardahoth on 07/01/2012, 03:07 AM - view

yeah i've seen the videos lately and the graphics get better and better.. only thing that upsets me is its going to be very hard to go back to a tab target game hahaha... although i can get over it with everything else there putting in

Games taking ages worked fine when you were a kid. It does not work for adults. So as an adult, I like the new age MMOs that are made that allow you to still play, even though you have less time.

Needs more instant end level buttons though.

Quote: Malamasala on 07/01/2012, 03:14 AM - view

I don't think how much time one has to play should really matter when it comes to how long things take in an MMO. If things are too quick and easy its a hollow victory. For example, hitting max level in TERA, its piss easy and doesn't mean a thing.

Hitting level 75 in FFXI back when that was the cap, that meant something, now do that on all the classes that were available and you were god like. But then again FFXI had enough content to support super slow leveling....(coughenmassetakesomenotescough). [and yes there were plenty of adults with full time jobs playing that game.]

Can you imagine on of those games with Tera's combat? It would still be alive today.

Quote: Vindlctive on 07/01/2012, 03:04 AM - view
I just looked at Yogscast's episodes of them playing the Korean CBT4 on youtube and I have to admit it does seem rather intriguing.

OP: closest feeling you're going to get to any of that today is by playing Lord of the Rings Online - if you can stand the graphics. Even the community is nothing like other MMOs.

However, for everyone else, which by the way is a lot more people these days than 10 years ago, they are happy to get their daily MMO "fix" from replay value or grinds in casual-friendly MMOs.

That's just how the market has evolved. In fact, even achieving a sufficiently high replay value for most MMO game designers is extremely hard due partly to the intense competition and partly due to the resources required. The market has evolved so far that these days some Free-To-Play/Fremium titles often offer far better replay value than some subscription games.