Before i get to in depth with this post. I have read the rules, maybe they could use a another re reading but i believe i am doing this correctly. This post is regarding a Thesis i was writing regarding homosexuality as an evolved occurence. I know the possibility of this idea was not first though up by me, but i feel that over time i have collected compelling arguement towards my hypothesis.

Now, i want to mention, please refrain from attacks, explicit sexual language and referances, or anything unsavory in ur responses. As not only would most of them be againt forum rules if used in that form and context, but it is just generally rude.

Also one last thing, please refrain from discussion of religious beliefs. If the topic of Homosexuality in itself on its own, is something you are uncomfortable with, then i urge you to reconsider reading any further. Thank you.


Alright i guess let me begin. Basically my theory states that Human Beings are Heard Animals. As such, there is a subconcious, and probly more correct to say a genetically inscribed heirarchy of reactions to our social enviornement, relating directly to other human beings. First is that there is only interest in our species dominance. Secondly the sub seperation of tribe systems, including countries, states, or even just Race. Third the need to fill a Role model, otherwise known as Alpha Male or Alpha Female to represent reaction triggers in our Psyche where we learn and adapt. This concept is also well known from ancient Greece, where older men would take on apprentices. Sometimes apprentices would even fall in love with male teachers, although part 4 of my evidence is ancient civilization, views on homosexuality, bath houses. "Group err Hugs" anyway...

Fast foreward to more recent times. Japan, an accepting peaceful open minded civilization, both to Nature and to their deep personal feelings. Often refraining from sharing in the intensity of these feelings, the Japanese people exhibit what i would call a highly evolved social structure. Also take of note. In Japanese Culture, Animation, and even youth. Homosexuality is not explicitelyt frowned upon,, yet also take the national statistic for the extraodinary low birth rates in Japan? Coincidence?

The japanese goverment is actually paying people to have babies.

Now in my own life experiances, i have identigied with being [filtered] since i was 7. I knew i liked men. Yet as an adult, ive met and loved, women, Straight men. Even More than that....They loved me back. So.

In conclusion, i believe that sexuality has evolved to fit the many needs of life itself. There is someone for everyone, wqe are not all Alpha Males. We cannot all Pick our mate at will, by using that alpha dominanty power also known as ~POPULAR~

This is what people are, and i believe we must soon accept that sexuality is not some 1 thing and never ever can or will be. But thats just my theory, if u disagree then i certainly am willing to read ur post and feedback. So long as it is contructive and a conversation not an arguement can evolved.

A few thigns i wanted to add. Noting the low birth rate in japan and being open socially to homosexuality is NOT making people [filtered]. My theory is this. Inside all of us there is a Capacity to love a man or a women....maybe for all of us...or maybe only in some. Whatever the number, i think it is larger than we imagine.


Also. For Japanese youth who already had it inside of them. The Capacity to love Either Gender...without the forcefull hatred and bullying American youth have. This in Turn leads to more sexual expirementation....that will not lead to Pregancny. I.E. Lower birth rate. Which if u ask me is a damn good thing, this world is too overpopulated.

Finally, another hint as to our herd animal nature, is Humans innate nature. TO be....lets say...have Difficulty with Monogomy? Because well.... In Nature...Herd Animals unlike Some animals Who mate only for life...and if their partner dies they die? Well herd animals....have more than one partner? Kinda odd...its very interesting though.


I know most of u want to stay STOP RIGHT THERe. DONT SAY it evolution that my boyfriend cheats on me? Well...i am not saying that, i am only saying there is possible evidence to suggest it...and even more so...the evidence proves and accurate point if it is correct. As well, it strengthens the theory. Howevever, i think monogomy is a choice. I have been Monogomous for 5 years...so. To eeach their own i think.,

I didn't read your post but here's my view on homosexuality.

I'm a straight guy but I have quite a few friends that are [filtered] and I was in show choir and have been around plenty of [filtered] people.

I don't care how/why people are [filtered], it's none of my business. If I like the person as a person then I'll be their friend, [filtered] or straight. Nobody should hate on these people just because they don't live a lifestyle that you don't see as proper. They aren't affecting you in anyway and I think they should be allowed to get married anywhere in the United States.

Are there [filtered] people I don't like? Hell yes! But it's not like I don't like them because they're [filtered], they're just annoying in general.

Quote: Amksed on 04/26/2012, 05:37 AM - view

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1) If this is for a class I would suggest a re-write. You are all over the place and your thoughts could flow better.

2) I think the idea that homosexuality is a product of evolution is flawed on a fundamental level. Evolution occurs to help a species survive. In no way does homosexuality provide any tools to help our species or any other species (There are many recorded cases of other animals being homosexual.) survive anything.

It would make more sense to me to say that homosexuality is a result of sentience and awareness of self rather than evolution.

I would also be hesitant to call humans "herd animals". Our social dynamic more closely resembles that of wolf packs or ape communities. Humans don't mate for life... regardless of sexual orientation. This has nothing to do with a herd animal mentality.

3) You made a lot of claims and cited evidence. Where are the case studies that back those claims? Trust me... you will need them.

Being homosexual doesn't make you any more or less evolved. It doesn't make you any more or less special. It makes you what you are... that and nothing else.

A whole lot of words used in place of "It's purely neurological".

It's all in how your mind is shaped as a young child, and even before birth. Homosexuality is naturally occurring in non-sentient beings, and the reason Homosexuality had a stigma against it up until these recent years, was that the uneducated masses of the dark ages were easily swayed by religion. (I'm not anti-religion, but it's the truth.)


"I would also be hesitant to call humans "herd animals". Our social dynamic more closely resembles that of wolf packs or ape communities. Humans don't mate for life... regardless of sexual orientation. This has nothing to do with a herd animal mentality. "

Humans are pack animals, you're correct. And a couple of animal species mate simply for pleasure, as do humans (again, a naturally occurring thing.)

1) This is not the actual paper this is just a rough draft of evidence to speculations.


2) I agree and my belief, as previously stated. Is that it is evolved due tot hat fact that not everyone can be an Alpha male or Female. Not everyone can have their pick of every mate...or perhaps does not even wish to have that aggessive ledership dominance, otherwise if everyone was alpha Society would crumble and endless wars would rage.

Perhaps i am using the Term Herd animal And Pack Mammal Interchangeably. I believe them to be similar, or the same. Particurlarly that when u mention apes, the only other primate pack Mammal the That eats meat is the Chipamnzee, and uses Meat as a dominance and sexual ritual. Being given meat and having mated with the Pack Leader is a sign of privlages.

3)i didnt say being homosexual makes you more evolved so please dont exagerate, merely it is an equally valid, and reasonable state of being with actual cause.

As someone who is actually studying Hominid Evolution, and has been for 2 years, the subjct of Homosexualy comes up at a moderate frequency.

And the very simpliest explination is this: It was an evolutionary feature and is also a Polygenic trait.
Here is a video explination from a M.D.(medical doctor) Don Exodus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZWqQNRAoKY
Older information but by far still relevant.

When it comes to evolutionary terms. We have to look at humanity's statis itself. Why do humans have sex? primarily in the ancient times it was for children, but nature also made sex extremely pleasurable.
Hominids MIEZER over this aspect, and infact it shows heavily in our evolutionary design.
How so? We are predetory animals, our eyes face forward, we walk upright and our undersides are exposed to the front. If we look directly at another homo sapien who is unclothed, their genitals and breasts are directly visible.

EVERY MAMMAL has their mammory glands(breasts) and genetalia on the underside of their body inbetween their limbs.
Why? this is the most effective and safest place for the body to place these organs which are VITAL to the genetic survival of a mammalian species.
For hominids, these organs are now blatently visable, and being predators that primarily hunt with their eyes and brains, humans are highly visual.

Our hormones are specifically designed to change our bodies from the generic template we all share as children, to the marked and sexual diamorphasized bodies of male and female.
Female homosapiens breasts grow in visual size, her hips widen, and her labia and pubic hair flesh out.
Males shoulders broaden, their [filtered] grows and testicles drop from the body.
The human male [filtered] is much larger than it should actually be because according to the evolutionary laws, its a display item for sexual prowess. This is why males care so much about the size of their [filtered], because its subconciously engraged.
Same with females and breast size.

It's all about sexual attractions.

Fruther more humans are dominately premiscuous. Hominids "sleep around" so to speak. only when a proper natural relationship comes together does a hominid set into a monogamous relationship.


So what does this have to do with homosexuality?

The biggest key factor in this is sex being an enjoyable, emotional, and pleasureable experiance. Sex is an almost REQUIRED psychological aspect of adult hominds, reguardless of male female or transgendered. Moving forward, we have to look at populations and other aspects first.

Lets look at this aspect of Emotional involvment and its dominace in hominid evolution.
the Homo sapien brain is not big because we are smart. In-fact we could be just as intellegent with more than half of our brains removed, and much much smaller brain sizes.
So WHY is our brain so massive? the answer is very simple: Each other.

Our SOCIAL aspect as hominids evolved from being in Alpha male dominated packs of hunters to intellegent creatures who lived in groups that were boned together by a completely new aspect. Emotions, more dominately: Love.


And here is were we find the biggest and most important reason why homosexuality exists.
there is never a perfect 100% 50/50 ratio of individuals in a population, never. even if you perfectly hand selected 100 males and 100 females after a few generations there would be a small imblance of male to female ratio.
Why? Random chance.

Humans are a deeply emotional creature, all hominids were, so Homosexuality theoretically fills in this gap. However, like everything in nature it has its own success rate of occurance, nature can not predict how many people the imbalance will involve or which gender it will occur in.
So nature has to just cause it to happen indescriminately, randomly, and with a steady frequency.
It can do this because Homosexuals can still breed just like any other fertile female or male.
Homosexuality does not bar them from heterosexual relationships for the purpose of reproduction.
Simply put, a person Wants to be loves, needs to be loved, needs to feel as though they are important, and a sexual relationship is one major aspect of filling those emotional responces.

To nature, it MUST occur, it has to be frequent, it has to adjust the population, it has to be consistant. So to nature this adaptation is hardwired into our genetic code to appear on a regular and predictable basis.

Imbalance in population, emotional nessessity, dominance of sexual experiance in the human psyche, all reasons for homosexuality to be a NESSESSITY, not just a luxuary. so in essence homosexuality is a NESSESSITY for human survival, and thats why it occurs.

And further more studies are showing in my opinion, by far the most interesting factor of all in human genetics. The Y chromozome is shrinking, and is poised to disappear. the X chromozome is by far more dominate, successful and powerful in the genetic code.

This is obviously evident: which sexual gender is more dominate? Female, XX, Xy. the x chromozome is in EVERY HUMAN BEING that is alive has ever been alive and will be born.

We are all default female at birth and we are all capable of having lactating mammory glands(producing breast milk).
The female gender is genetically dominate and in the hominid aspect, the male gene is disappearing.
Why? not entirely known and the subject is still a new field of research, but it makes one thing become extremely evident.
Female homosexualiy wil not only become more common, but absolutely nessessary to human survival.

Homosexuality, pansexuality, and bisexuality are all persistantly more comman in human females than human males. In-fact the ratio of male to female(genetic males that are mentally female who are transitioning to female) transgender'd people to female to male(genetic females who are mentally male and transitioning to male), is Staggeringly high leanin towards Male to Females. the suspected transgender rate of MtF is suspected to be significantly higher than FtM.

Why? Same reasons female is the dominate gender in nature, its more successful more effictient, more emotionally sound, is much better equiped to bring forward the next generation of their genetic decdants.

So if females will be come heavily over populated over males, female homosexuality will be come more than just common, it will be nessessary and vital.

this argument is retarded......

who cares if homosexuals (or whatever else people seem to naturally bundle into this subject) are the way they are? whether they chose it or was born with it doesnt matter now cause either way theyre homosexual (or whatever else...).

arguing about how it came about doesnt change the outcome.

and why would you want to change the outcome? cause "god says homosexuality is a sin?" if so then apparently tolerance and acceptance of others no matter their beliefs or customs isnt something god said anymore.....

let people be who they want to be, dont bother them or try to change them, and dont alter their rights for simply being different.

P.S. and no offense, but homosexual guys tend to freak me out (by that i mean when i see them "together"), idk why but they do, yet im apparently more accepting of them then those who claim to be of a belief system that accepts those who are different...... people are screwed up.... seriously....

It's because nature knows lesbians are hot and [filtered]s are evil and go to hell. Nature purposely tries to keep the level of [filtered] males down while keeping the level of homosexual females up. This is actually scientific fact.

Quote: Misbelief on 04/26/2012, 12:48 PM - view

I always get a laugh out of that point. Cheers for the lulz. :p

As for the topic, guess what? Some people are straight and some are not. What's and why's won't change anything.

I love my BF tyvm. :)