Personally I don't see heterosexuality and homosexuality as black or white/ on or off. For me sexuality is a full spectrum and limiting the rich and full potential of sexuality to something so confining and restricting as "black or white" is simply repressing who we are.
I'm really impressed that this thread hasn't descended into bigotry, hate or personal attacks. I respect people's right to their religious views yet at the same time . . .
For me, for the most part I applaud people's maturity and sophistication on such a controversial subject. Ultimately I just hope players are open-minded and tolerant regarding the diversity of players they will be playing with. Personally, I think such diversity creates a more vibrant and exciting community! Anyway, just wanted to thank many people in the thread for being supportive and encouraging. You rawk!
>Comes back to this thread
>Sees people quoting the bible
>sees a dumb [filtered] say homosexuality is unatural
>mfw when people beleive in fairytales over scientific evidence.
Are some of you peopel that [filtered]in retard?
Are you people really that stupid to beleive that A Computer with hundreds of mllions of manmade microtransistors on a slab of silicone is Natural, and a completely common and useable fucntion which occours in thousands of non hominid speices is NOT Natural.
Youre [filtered] retarded right?
Id LOVE to see what plant you picked your Intel Core i3 from. Id love to see the fields where Nvidia graphics cards are grown.
Id love to see the pastures of beef cattle that are hunting by hand right in our own backwoods that gives mcdonalds its fat and discusting food, while you drive in that perfectly evolved natural peice of metal that spews hydrocarbon exhausts from burning milions of years long dead hydrocarbon based fuels.
ID LOVE to see that planet.
You actually beleive that a little wizard in a robe is sitting in the sky watching every single little move you make, has the power to do everything fathomable, and wants little ants on a boring infected rock to praise him?
Your joking right?
youre.... freaking kidding me right?
Homosexuality is a deformation of brain development. Physical research has show that they are people who are born with the brain density of the opposite sex. In other words [filtered] men are men born with the brain of a female and vice versa. Its why there's a lot of them that say "It feels like I'm a women stuck in a mans body." and vice versa.
You sure you're not referring to transsexuals? o.O Cuz i'm pretty sure a lot of homosexuals are completely comfortable in their own skins.
You are correct in the notion it sounds like he is talking about trans-sexuals. But science has shown biological differences in homosexuals, including the brain being closer to that of the opposite gender as well as increased estrogen/testosterone development in homosexual men and women respectively.
No
no
no
NO
NOOO
And
NO
Where the [filtered], who the [filtered] and whent he [filtered] did you learn that crock of [filtered] lies?
Homosexuality has NOTHING to do with Transexuality
NOTHING what so ever.
Zip
NADA
NONE.
Transexuality isnt even a sexuality, its a GENDER Identity.
and NO
Homosexuals DO NOT have any relative relation to the opposite sex, they do not have brain influneces that make their brains feminized or masculinized. that mear suggestion puts that under the category of TRANSGENDERISM.
Transgender physiological formats have been PROVEN to be correct, true, and scientifically validated. as well as theoretically an assumed BIRTH DEFECT.
Homosexuality is NOT a birth defect, is a natural and common occurance not only in hominids but thoudsands of other species.
HOWEVER Bigotry, Religion and War are three severely negitive occurances that happen in only ONE speices on the face of this planet.
PLEASE tell me how your car, computer, couch, Television, and house are all natural objects observed in nature.
Go on, im listening.
Yes, homosexuals do have brain differences from Heterosexuals.
You know who has different and unique neurological structures? EVERY human being on the planet! No two humans are wired identically and our brains are constantly evolving to adapt to our environment. Being homosexual is not a pathology or disease.
>Comes back to this thread
>Sees people quoting the bible
>sees a dumb [filtered] say homosexuality is unatural
>mfw when people beleive in fairytales over scientific evidence.
Are some of you peopel that [filtered]in retard?
Are you people really that stupid to beleive that A Computer with hundreds of mllions of manmade microtransistors on a slab of silicone is Natural, and a completely common and useable fucntion which occours in thousands of non hominid speices is NOT Natural.
Youre [filtered] retarded right?
Id LOVE to see what plant you picked your Intel Core i3 from. Id love to see the fields where Nvidia graphics cards are grown.
Id love to see the pastures of beef cattle that are hunting by hand right in our own backwoods that gives mcdonalds its fat and discusting food, while you drive in that perfectly evolved natural peice of metal that spews hydrocarbon exhausts from burning milions of years long dead hydrocarbon based fuels.
ID LOVE to see that planet.
You actually beleive that a little wizard in a robe is sitting in the sky watching every single little move you make, has the power to do everything fathomable, and wants little ants on a boring infected rock to praise him?
Your joking right?
youre.... freaking kidding me right?
Rsthaliot on 04/27/2012, 10:36 PM
TofuPenguin on 04/27/2012, 10:30 PM
HTakara82 on 04/27/2012, 02:04 PM
Homosexuality is a deformation of brain development. Physical research has show that they are people who are born with the brain density of the opposite sex. In other words [filtered] men are men born with the brain of a female and vice versa. Its why there's a lot of them that say "It feels like I'm a women stuck in a mans body." and vice versa.
You sure you're not referring to transsexuals? o.O Cuz i'm pretty sure a lot of homosexuals are completely comfortable in their own skins.
You are correct in the notion it sounds like he is talking about trans-sexuals. But science has shown biological differences in homosexuals, including the brain being closer to that of the opposite gender as well as increased estrogen/testosterone development in homosexual men and women respectively.
No
no
no
NO
NOOO
And
NO
Where the [filtered], who the [filtered] and whent he [filtered] did you learn that crock of [filtered] lies?
Homosexuality has NOTHING to do with Transexuality
NOTHING what so ever.
Zip
NADA
NONE.
Transexuality isnt even a sexuality, its a GENDER Identity.
and NO
Homosexuals DO NOT have any relative relation to the opposite sex, they do not have brain influneces that make their brains feminized or masculinized. that mear suggestion puts that under the category of TRANSGENDERISM.
Transgender physiological formats have been PROVEN to be correct, true, and scientifically validated. as well as theoretically an assumed BIRTH DEFECT.
Homosexuality is NOT a birth defect, is a natural and common occurance not only in hominids but thoudsands of other species.
HOWEVER Bigotry, Religion and War are three severely negitive occurances that happen in only ONE speices on the face of this planet.
PLEASE tell me how your car, computer, couch, Television, and house are all natural objects observed in nature.
Go on, im listening.
I never claimed transgenderism was the same as homosexuality, I merely claimed though that poster talked about transsexualism; homosexuals do indeed share a brain pattern closer to that of their opposite sex counter parts. They do indeed produce more estrogen if male, and more testosterone if female. As shown by HTakara82 what I said was indeed backed by scientific merit. I do not consider homosexuality a defect as there are various varieties of neuro makeups. Transgenderism is a completely different genetic trigger, also it is not just similarities to brain patterns but a full opposite sex brain with an excessive/not enough exposure to androgen while in the womb.
I highly doubt I am judgmental based on religious convictions about this issue as I am both a homosexual and I do have a science background.
That said the only thing I agree with from your previous post is that it is indeed a natural occurrence. But saying it is natural while not discussing scientific proof as to it being genetically determined gives people excuses to make uneducated arguments that lead to intolerance. So sadly in the end you are hurting your own cause.
I never claimed transgenderism was the same as homosexuality, I merely claimed though that poster talked about transsexualism; homosexuals do indeed share a brain pattern closer to that of their opposite sex counter parts. They do indeed produce more estrogen if male, and more testosterone if female. As shown by HTakara82 what I said was indeed backed by scientific merit. I do not consider homosexuality a defect as there are various varieties of neuro makeups. Transgenderism is a completely different genetic trigger, also it is not just similarities to brain patterns but a full opposite sex brain with an excessive/not enough exposure to androgen while in the womb.
I highly doubt I am judgmental based on religious convictions about this issue as I am both a homosexual and I do have a science background.
That said the only thing I agree with from your previous post is that it is indeed a natural occurrence. But saying it is natural while not discussing scientific proof as to it being genetically determined gives people excuses to make uneducated arguments that lead to intolerance. So sadly in the end you are hurting your own cause.
Your so wrong in your reasoning you cant even correctly Indentify evidene for your own argument.
Homosexuality has NOTHING to do with feminization. NONE.
The only occurance where this is even a theoretica possiblity, is in a consitant birth rate of a female producing males in the womb.
The more male children a female has, the more able her body is at feminizing the child in her womb.
Homosexual males do not share a correlation with a female brain. they are male in their mental physisololigy.
Feminization of the mental structure in a male brain causes TRANSGENDERISM, NOT homosexuality.
Transgender'd inviduals can be homosexual and heterosexual on the same variating scale as Cigendered inviduals.
Why? Because sexual orientation is only minorly affected by the persons gender.
Homosexuality is not a defect, its an evolved nessessary mental mechanizm.
Transexuality IS a defect and has no know genetic variant and is confrimed to be a mental developmental problem.
I know, Im a transexual.
homosexuality has nothing to do with gender statsis in the brain.
If a biological male has a female brain, the issues associated with it cause transexuality, not homosexuality. that individuals sexual orientation then stems from their identified gender and the gender they are attracted towards.
Most often transgender'd people are heterosexual in nature, example: A MtF transgendered who is sexually attracted to and seeks relationships with males is Heterosexual. And likewise a MtF transgendered inviduall who seeks sexual and life partnerships with females is a homosexual.
That factual reasoning challenges the very understanding of homosexuality in its entirety.
HOWEVER there is one factor that transexual MtF's bring to the area that does infact support your hypothesis.
Male to Female transexuals are homosexual roughly 25% of the time, DOUBLE the homosexuality rate of cigendered females.
Why? This is a very curious question, that has like most of the transexual theories, has no answer.
Its a variant of data which remains completely unexplained.
From an evolutionary perspective being [filtered] is an anomaly and pretty much a dead end since genetics don't get passed on.
Speaking of social structures and norms has no place in evo discussion since Nature doesn't take either into account.
Not reproducing is evolutionary disadvantageous.
The sexy, and the smooth talkers, shall inherit the earth.
This is the dumbest arguement in the history of homosexuality.
Homosexuals can procreate, they arent infertile, they can still mate with the opposite sex and create children.
this is the stupidest, and one of the most ignorant and uneducated argument in the world.
They don't have any desire too, No desire to get a chick pregnant is evolutionarily disadvantageous.
Don't try to convince me that [filtered] guys are having kids with women because outside of rare cases it's simply not true.
Go ahead prove me wrong.
I'm against [filtered] rights, but your logic is stupid.
There IS an advantage to not mating - population control in a species.
Humans are communal creatures and often prefer groups. If you are the leader of your tribe/household, it's easier to feed 20 people than it is to feed 50 people.
If there's more of 1 species, that species takes over and nature has to even things out. Disease is more likely to spread when there's more of 1 species.
Those are just 2 examples, but I'd be happy to provide more.
Comfort =/= Evolutionary fitness. It is your logic that is stupid.
Population is a comfort issue, not an evolutionary one.
CoconutOil on 04/27/2012, 01:06 AM
Homosexuality is UNNATURAL no matter which way you slice it.
Men looking at other men in "that way" is unnatural and promiscuity in women is unnatural. Women shouldn't be lusting after men ever. Women should be a bit more reserved and conservative with their manner of dress, speech, and thoughts.
Evolution made the [filtered] to fit inside the female [filtered], not inside the butt. I have no problem with [filtered]s dating, but marriage is out of the question because why would the government legalize something unnatural? That would be like saying if you have two bulls you can marry them to each other. I'm not homophobic, but I don't want [filtered]s intruding on how things are run in my country and trying to change the entire social structure and disrupt religion, families, confuse kids from mom-dad households, etc. It's just a really complex issue.
Promiscuity benefits women since it allows them to get the best genetic mate and best long term provider.
You're dumb.
Your logic is non-existent.
Population control is an evolutionary mechanism built by mother nature to prevent any species from wiping itelf out.
