Munchkin
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I'm fine with the pots, but the cooldown should be longer. 2 mins or so.
Socio
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_04xzxkW10
You mean like these?
Let's see...pots at...(times listed between each pot and the previous 100% heal pot)
2:11
2:44 ~ 33 sec
3:22 ~ 38 sec
3:53 ~ 31 sec
4:11 ~ 18 sec +25%ish heal instead of 100%
4:47 ~ 54 sec (from last full heal pot, not the 25% one)
Had that Sorcerer lived ~3 seconds longer, he would've insta healed to full again and I would have lost that fight even though I was clearly playing better. (Assuming he had more of those pots on him, that is.)
It's dumb. I don't know how to get the 100% heal pots, but they either need:
A: A longer cooldown. 30 seconds cooldown on a FULL heal is stupid. Something like 5 minutes is more acceptable if normal pots that heal for like 1/4 as much are on a 3 minute cooldown. I'd still prefer 10+ minutes, but that's just me.
OR
B: To share a cooldown with other pots.
I'm completely okay with consumables being in the game, and even necessary to some extent. However, consumables that drastically turn the tide of a battle every 30 seconds to the point of it literally being who has more pots on hand is flat out poor design. A fight should be a fight. Won by the better/smarter player with maybe some help from consumables once or twice. Not a war over who spent more money on the auction house buying full heal potions to spam as soon as the (short) cooldowns are up.
You mean like these?
Let's see...pots at...(times listed between each pot and the previous 100% heal pot)
2:11
2:44 ~ 33 sec
3:22 ~ 38 sec
3:53 ~ 31 sec
4:11 ~ 18 sec +25%ish heal instead of 100%
4:47 ~ 54 sec (from last full heal pot, not the 25% one)
Had that Sorcerer lived ~3 seconds longer, he would've insta healed to full again and I would have lost that fight even though I was clearly playing better. (Assuming he had more of those pots on him, that is.)
It's dumb. I don't know how to get the 100% heal pots, but they either need:
A: A longer cooldown. 30 seconds cooldown on a FULL heal is stupid. Something like 5 minutes is more acceptable if normal pots that heal for like 1/4 as much are on a 3 minute cooldown. I'd still prefer 10+ minutes, but that's just me.
OR
B: To share a cooldown with other pots.
I'm completely okay with consumables being in the game, and even necessary to some extent. However, consumables that drastically turn the tide of a battle every 30 seconds to the point of it literally being who has more pots on hand is flat out poor design. A fight should be a fight. Won by the better/smarter player with maybe some help from consumables once or twice. Not a war over who spent more money on the auction house buying full heal potions to spam as soon as the (short) cooldowns are up.
Edited by: Socio
about 1 year ago
Ahmon
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#13
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Socio on 03/17/2012, 02:04 AM - view
Why not? They're a part of the game. If you go into a fight less prepared you should lose. You clearly did not outplay the Sorceror in the video. Your preparatioms countered his. Period.
A fight should be a fight. Won by the better/smarter player with maybe some help from consumables once or twice. Not a war over who spent more money on the auction house buying full heal potions to spam as soon as the (short) cooldowns are up.
Why not? They're a part of the game. If you go into a fight less prepared you should lose. You clearly did not outplay the Sorceror in the video. Your preparatioms countered his. Period.
Ashgan
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I watched some of Socio's vids to get an idea of PVP in this game. seeing how those pots work, I will agree they are way too good.
Edited by: Ashgan
about 1 year ago
bygeorge
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Socio on 03/17/2012, 02:04 AM - view
I believe that the instant 100% heal pots are all from events. There was the pumpkin pies from one event, and i believe there were some other 100% pots from earlier events as well.
It's dumb. I don't know how to get the 100% heal pots, but they either need:
I believe that the instant 100% heal pots are all from events. There was the pumpkin pies from one event, and i believe there were some other 100% pots from earlier events as well.
Socio
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Ahmon on 03/17/2012, 11:40 AM - view
Uhm..
You realize he used FIVE (5) FULL HEAL potions + 1 normal potion, right?
I used THREE (3) 75% heal potions + 1 normal potion.
Please explain your logic as to how my preparations countered his. I simply played better than he did, and the couple pots I had on hand were able to barely win me the battle.
Had I been the one to use more pots or stronger pots (like he did) then sure, I'd agree I prepared better. But that's flat out incorrect as you can see from the video.
As I stated earlier, I'm fine with consumables helping you out in fights and having them be some form of requirement to supplement battle. I'm not fine with literally having to spend hundreds of thousands of gold on them to spam them every 30 seconds until you run out every fight.
bygeorge on 03/17/2012, 12:25 PM
I think so as well, but I still haven't found a concrete source to this. I *know* the 75% hp over time pots are from certain quests and whatnot, but haven't encountered full heal ones thus far in my playtime in Korea or beta.
If they are event things then hopefully they aren't sellable. I'll suffice with dying to someone that uses pots only obtainable during certain times of the year or whatever, even though I still think it's stupid.
Why not? They're a part of the game. If you go into a fight less prepared you should lose. You clearly did not outplay the Sorceror in the video. Your preparatioms countered his. Period.
Uhm..
You realize he used FIVE (5) FULL HEAL potions + 1 normal potion, right?
I used THREE (3) 75% heal potions + 1 normal potion.
Please explain your logic as to how my preparations countered his. I simply played better than he did, and the couple pots I had on hand were able to barely win me the battle.
Had I been the one to use more pots or stronger pots (like he did) then sure, I'd agree I prepared better. But that's flat out incorrect as you can see from the video.
As I stated earlier, I'm fine with consumables helping you out in fights and having them be some form of requirement to supplement battle. I'm not fine with literally having to spend hundreds of thousands of gold on them to spam them every 30 seconds until you run out every fight.
bygeorge on 03/17/2012, 12:25 PM
I believe that the instant 100% heal pots are all from events. There was the pumpkin pies from one event, and i believe there were some other 100% pots from earlier events as well.
I think so as well, but I still haven't found a concrete source to this. I *know* the 75% hp over time pots are from certain quests and whatnot, but haven't encountered full heal ones thus far in my playtime in Korea or beta.
If they are event things then hopefully they aren't sellable. I'll suffice with dying to someone that uses pots only obtainable during certain times of the year or whatever, even though I still think it's stupid.
Edited by: Socio
about 1 year ago
Ahmon
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Socio on 03/17/2012, 02:09 PM - view
You certainly did not play better on the vid. You were chasing him a good deal of the time. He didn't even try to do any damage. Once it was an actual fight the healing was equal. He took a few bad hits that looked more like lag than any player skill. You also took a few bad hits. Dealing 200% damage to him while chasing isn't impressive in the slightest.
As to your preparations, the main thing was that you wanted to fight and he didn't.
Ahmon on 03/17/2012, 11:40 AM
Why not? They're a part of the game. If you go into a fight less prepared you should lose. You clearly did not outplay the Sorceror in the video. Your preparatioms countered his. Period.
Uhm..
You realize he used FIVE (5) FULL HEAL potions + 1 normal potion, right?
I used THREE (3) 75% heal potions + 1 normal potion.
Please explain your logic as to how my preparations countered his. I simply played better than he did, and the couple pots I had on hand were able to barely win me the battle.
Had I been the one to use more pots or stronger pots (like he did) then sure, I'd agree I prepared better. But that's flat out incorrect as you can see from the video.
You certainly did not play better on the vid. You were chasing him a good deal of the time. He didn't even try to do any damage. Once it was an actual fight the healing was equal. He took a few bad hits that looked more like lag than any player skill. You also took a few bad hits. Dealing 200% damage to him while chasing isn't impressive in the slightest.
As to your preparations, the main thing was that you wanted to fight and he didn't.
Nineteen
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Ahmon on 03/17/2012, 02:18 PM - view
Agree 100%
Socio on 03/17/2012, 02:09 PMAhmon on 03/17/2012, 11:40 AM
Why not? They're a part of the game. If you go into a fight less prepared you should lose. You clearly did not outplay the Sorceror in the video. Your preparatioms countered his. Period.
Uhm..
You realize he used FIVE (5) FULL HEAL potions + 1 normal potion, right?
I used THREE (3) 75% heal potions + 1 normal potion.
Please explain your logic as to how my preparations countered his. I simply played better than he did, and the couple pots I had on hand were able to barely win me the battle.
Had I been the one to use more pots or stronger pots (like he did) then sure, I'd agree I prepared better. But that's flat out incorrect as you can see from the video.
You certainly did not play better on the vid. You were chasing him a good deal of the time. He didn't even try to do any damage. Once it was an actual fight the healing was equal. He took a few bad hits that looked more like lag than any player skill. You also took a few bad hits. Dealing 200% damage to him while chasing isn't impressive in the slightest.
As to your preparations, the main thing was that you wanted to fight and he didn't.
Agree 100%
Socio
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Ahmon on 03/17/2012, 02:18 PM - view
Okay, if you want to be super specific he used one full heal pot and started fighting me.
He still used 4 full heal pots throughout the fight and one normal. I didn't count the first normal pot at like 33 seconds in because I could care less.
He still used one extra full heal pot over one of my 75% heals (4 vs my 3), and the leftover heals equate to almost an extra life bar on top of that, so I had to kill him two extra times still. (25% x 4 pots = 100% + an extra 100% from an additional pot incase math is too hard for some people.)
I don't care if he didn't want to fight and I did. Noone wants to fight on Korea, that's how it works there and why PvP is nonexistent for the most part. You'll see at least half the people in my videos run away at first, it's pathetically hard to get a decent fight on Korean servers.
100% full heal pots being ridiculous has nothing to do with whether people want to fight or not. He had a chance to get away just fine and he stood there like an idiot.
You certainly did not play better on the vid. You were chasing him a good deal of the time. He didn't even try to do any damage. Once it was an actual fight the healing was equal. He took a few bad hits that looked more like lag than any player skill. You also took a few bad hits. Dealing 200% damage to him while chasing isn't impressive in the slightest.
As to your preparations, the main thing was that you wanted to fight and he didn't.
Okay, if you want to be super specific he used one full heal pot and started fighting me.
He still used 4 full heal pots throughout the fight and one normal. I didn't count the first normal pot at like 33 seconds in because I could care less.
He still used one extra full heal pot over one of my 75% heals (4 vs my 3), and the leftover heals equate to almost an extra life bar on top of that, so I had to kill him two extra times still. (25% x 4 pots = 100% + an extra 100% from an additional pot incase math is too hard for some people.)
I don't care if he didn't want to fight and I did. Noone wants to fight on Korea, that's how it works there and why PvP is nonexistent for the most part. You'll see at least half the people in my videos run away at first, it's pathetically hard to get a decent fight on Korean servers.
100% full heal pots being ridiculous has nothing to do with whether people want to fight or not. He had a chance to get away just fine and he stood there like an idiot.
Edited by: Socio
about 1 year ago
Shaad
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#20
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So far, every game I've played has allowed pot use in PvP. It's just a part of the game. If you don't use them and go into every fight expecting to win, then I hate to be the bearer of bad news but... you won't win every fight.
Competitive PvPers use what they got to use to keep it an even playing feild because they expect the other players to be doing the same thing. Whether they do or not is just up to them.
Though I do agree not having every pot on the same global cd isn't exactly making this game hard. Maybe just add them all on the same 2min cd and have lower hp regen pots there if you run outa the good ones.
Competitive PvPers use what they got to use to keep it an even playing feild because they expect the other players to be doing the same thing. Whether they do or not is just up to them.
Though I do agree not having every pot on the same global cd isn't exactly making this game hard. Maybe just add them all on the same 2min cd and have lower hp regen pots there if you run outa the good ones.