100% HP pots + pvp

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such powerful potions in PvP is absolutely absurd, there's no two ways about it.
doesn't matter that "anyone can get them," not everyone is going to want to be forced to craft pots and have to always carry a few stacks on them. much less how it will lengthen the time of the already slow combat.
and lengthening the cooldown will be just as bad, then it becomes a fight decided by who has their potion up.

potions should either be easily accessible + rather weak, or non-existent. right now, 50-100% heal potions, that require thousands of gold or hours of crafting are ridiculous and need to go.
Edited by: Tidwell about 1 year ago
Aahn Profile Options #32

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Seems like a topic to suck in fellow whiners hell-bent on forcing their view of an ideal environment on everyone else.(most of our so called hardcore pvpers)
If you cant cope with potters then leave.
Fairly simple.
Edited by: Aahn about 1 year ago
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Aahn on 03/17/2012, 04:24 PM - view
Seems like a topic to suck in fellow whiners hell-bent on forcing their view of an ideal environment on everyone else.(most of our so called hardcore pvpers)
If you cant cope with potters then leave.
Fairly simple.
silly post imo. you sir sounds like you cannot function in a pvp environment without the help of combat pots, which i might add is a total fail on your part. If you learn to play your class then you will have no need to use combat pots.

So who is the one that cannot cope, the one that relies on pots to win or the one that does not?
Edited by: StayOnTarget about 1 year ago
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Yet you don't see the slightest hint of QQ in any of my posts.
Get real.
I'm not the one crying to have things removed or changed because i lack the ability to adapt.

edit: As mentioned early those full heal pots are event items which means they aren't inexhaustible.
Same goes for the quest pots, they aren't inexhaustible. You are the kind of person who QQs when people use cooldowns in a fight.

AMG HE USED EVERYTHING HE HAD AT HIS DISPOSAL TO WIN!!!! UNACCEPTABRU.

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HE HAS BETTER STUFFZ THAN I DO! IT DUNT MATER THAT I CAN GET THEM TUU, DEVS NED TO REMOVE ALL STUFFZ(or make them all close to useless) SO ITS FAIR!

LETS RALLY TOGETHER MY FELLOW FAILBAITS AND GET THINGS CHANGED TO HOW WE WANT THEM!
Edited by: Aahn about 1 year ago
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When you are getting ganked or ganking in OPvP you have to be prepared, if you have a pot that regens 100% hp, it's fair game to use it. If it were a duel then its different.
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Ahmon on 03/17/2012, 03:25 PM - view
Socio on 03/17/2012, 02:46 PM
Ahmon on 03/17/2012, 02:43 PM

No, they weren't. The fight actually starts with the Elin at 85% HP in bad position. i'm not gonna take the time to see how much was actually healed, but it's about the same.

And the Elin ran at the end.


You won't take the time to see the facts, but you'll take the time to make arguments over something.

Good logic.

Edit: Oh and let's just not include the fact that he had better gear than me @ 146 level while I'm at 142.

Fine, be a [filtered] about it.

Let's look at the healing done:

Elin:
1x "full" heal (24.4 to 100%, does not appear to refresh properly in the video)
1x full heal (8.2 to 100%)
1x full heal (12.5 to 100%)
1x partial heal (32.1 to 58.2%)
1x full heal (42.5 to 100%)

Based on the average of the Castanic's damage output on the lock-ons, this player has about 49,100 max life. Therefore, his total healing was 166,204.

Castanic:
1x large heal (46,557)
1x small heal (18,450)
1x large heal (46,202)
1x large heal (45,976)

The max life of this character was about 62,500. His total healing was 157,185.

The Elin healed for 9,000 more life. So yeah, he did spam harder than you. You're still just as much a potion spammer as he was.


Ok, so give him HP crystals like I use, and how much more life would he have healed than me? A possible ~48k at max efficiency. Taking flat numbers with the amount of variables based on gear, crystals, and time of use (percentage of life when used, rather) is a dumb argument when the potions are using percentages. You pretty much proved the point that I outplayed him though since the total life healed was still less, and I still ended with near full life when he died due to having to keep up with his pots.

You can twist it any way you like, I used 3 potions that heal for a lesser amount than the 4 he used. He has better gear that does more damage than my gear as you can clearly see by the gear rating of 146 vs my 142.

Did I play perfectly and not make any mistakes? No. But I still played better than he did, and almost lost due to FULL HEAL pot spamming.
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Aahn on 03/17/2012, 05:48 PM - view
Yet you don't see the slightest hint of QQ in any of my posts.
Get real.
I'm not the one crying to have things removed or changed because i lack the ability to adapt.

edit: As mentioned early those full heal pots are event items which means they aren't inexhaustible.
Same goes for the quest pots, they aren't inexhaustible. You are the kind of person who QQs when people use cooldowns in a fight.



So it's okay that you need to spend hundreds of thousands of millions of gold to buy these ridiculous pots to "compete" with other people?

Event items or not, they're sellable. That's my issue. Make them shared cd, longer cd, or untradeable or whatever, I don't care. But I don't want to be spending millions of gold just to stand a chance on having to keep up with these ridiculous full heals that people will be dropping real life cash on buying if they're so necessary.
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Socio on 03/17/2012, 06:19 PM - view

Ok, so give him HP crystals like I use, and how much more life would he have healed than me? A possible ~48k at max efficiency. Taking flat numbers with the amount of variables based on gear, crystals, and time of use (percentage of life when used, rather) is a dumb argument when the potions are using percentages. You pretty much proved the point that I outplayed him though since the total life healed was still less, and I still ended with near full life when he died due to having to keep up with his pots.

You can twist it any way you like, I used 3 potions that heal for a lesser amount than the 4 he used. He has better gear that does more damage than my gear as you can clearly see by the gear rating of 146 vs my 142.

Did I play perfectly and not make any mistakes? No. But I still played better than he did, and almost lost due to FULL HEAL pot spamming.

If he'd had PVP gear, he would have won. End of story. Your gear was better than his for the situation. Stop saying 142 vs. 146 as if it means anything.

Also, he started fighting at 85% HP. It's amazing how little difference in healing there was in the fight - the main difference is that when you got low you could pop a potion to heal. Meanwhile, similar combos on him were forcing him to potion earlier.

Simply put, you did not outplay him. Well, mostly. He did make more mistakes than you, but your gear is what carried you for the most part.
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I see alot of " i don't want to be doing this" and "i don't want to be doing that". I blame the Instant gratification attitude on World of Warcraft and games like it. Anything involving any kind of effort is completely unacceptable.

It doesn't matter if they are sell-able or not. They are event items. I don't know why you cant seem to comprehend that they are infact NOT inexhaustible. Meaning once they are used they disappear from the game. If they aren't being used then they aren't an issue. They are not a crafted pot that people can stock pile endlessly nor can they be farmed. Same goes for the quest pots. Which is why the cooldown is lower, to encourage its consumption. The crafted/farmed pots have a cooldown much higher so they are not abused.

You're playing on k-tera. Most Korean gamers like to grind and farm and grind and farm and in TERA avoid PvP. The person you fought was clearly bad and they wasted their event pots. You both are lagging and id bet your comp is far better then his. he is probably running TERA with a calculator and CRT monitor.
Edited by: Aahn about 1 year ago
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OP sounds like a scrub. The kind of player that complains when someone uses what the game has provided them as a means of winning. He wants to enforce his self-inflicted rules of engagement on others and bring them down to his low level of play. If you don't want to play to win that's fine. But don't enforce your low level play on other people.

Also I'd like to re-iterate what Aahn just posted above me as well.

Aahn on 03/17/2012, 07:00 PM - view
I see alot of " i don't want to be doing this" and "i don't want to be doing that". I blame the Instant gratification attitude on World of Warcraft and games like it. Anything involving any kind of effort is completely unacceptable.

It doesn't matter if they are sell-able or not. They are event items. I don't know why you cant seem to comprehend that they are infact NOT inexhaustible. Meaning once they are used they disappear from the game. If they aren't being used then they aren't an issue. They are not a crafted pot that people can stock pile endlessly nor can they be farmed. Same goes for the quest pots. Which is why the cooldown is lower, to encourage its consumption. The crafted/farmed pots have a cooldown much higher so they are not abused.

You're playing on k-tera. Most Korean gamers like to grind and farm and grind and farm and in TERA avoid PvP. The person you fought was clearly bad and they wasted their event pots. You both are lagging and id bet your comp is far better then his. he is probably running TERA with a calculator and CRT monitor.