100% HP pots + pvp

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Socio on 03/17/2012, 02:56 PM - view
mrnub on 03/17/2012, 02:52 PM
I quite enjoyed Aion's timing for potions .

regular potions on 30s / elixers on 1m
Abyss potions on 2m
Reward serums on 30minutes

Felt pretty nice.

30s (I think thats what I read?) seems too short D:


Yep, 30 seconds for a full heal.

And I personally did not enjoy Aion's cooldown timings as well... it became a pot spam fest. However, it makes more sense with normal pots to be the ones on 30 second cooldowns rather than something that heals your entire life bar.


Rofl? Aion's pot system is one of the best I've seen so far. Even their expensive [filtered] event pots were only 5k... that's like 50% at 55 with +6 gear on 30 min CD, and it puts your abyss pots on CD, which were 5 min and healed about 2.5k (half as much). The regular pots only healed for like 1.5k? max (I didn't use them much since I was a cleric). Considering you could get killed in less than 3 seconds most of the time, that's nothing at all.

In tera, with the way that fight went at 60 sorc vs sorc, I would say those pots are completely stupid. If those 100% event pots and the 75% pots had even 5 min CD, that fight would have ended much sooner even if their regular pots were 30 sec cd (1min would probably work just fine).

Anyone that argues that spamming pots isn't rediculous, must not have played SRO. POTS AUTOMATICALLY USED EVERY .1 SEC. You fully heal every 2 sec. Yes, the dmg was so much that 2-4 shots would kill you and it was still possible to win a fight with equal gear, but it was mostly whoever runs out first or whoever crits a 3 combo in a row. That's horrible PvP, why would anyone argue in favor for that?

PS: These pots also seem to make PvE super easy, if you don't get 1 shot, run around, full heal every 30 sec...on top of the already easy PvE, that's just ridiculous.
Edited by: Psychopathy about 1 year ago
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Synner on 03/18/2012, 10:45 AM - view
StayOnTarget on 03/16/2012, 04:34 PM
If you even pop one in pvp its bad period. I can live with getting jumped and dieing but seeing someone win by pot is BS. It needs to go.


i know what you mean. i hate seeing people win by using their skills. only scrubs will use skills. the pro's only use their combo attack.

that's how much sense you make with this argument.

pot's are a part of the game. you can use them as easily as anyone else and when used corectly (just like any other skill) they can turn the battle around.

Problem is that using skills you wont last forever, but with those pots 2 lancers never will kil leach other, 2 warriors will never kill each other, also any class never will kill mystic , hell its even will be diffucult for any class to beat lancer, all he needs is block + pots and you never kill him.

And what happens if fight lasts forever ? Then there will be NO WINNER AND NO LOSER and that is not PVP in my view.
Edited by: tamernator about 1 year ago
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Aahn on 03/17/2012, 04:24 PM
Seems like a topic to suck in fellow whiners hell-bent on forcing their view of an ideal environment on everyone else.(most of our so called hardcore pvpers)
If you cant cope with potters then leave.
Fairly simple.


Potting won't make you win...because both parties can pot....it will just prolong your death and the fight, making both players use a [filtered]load of money when a death will probably cost them less money. So...people will just not pot and die rather than waste a lot of money and then die and have to use more money for the broken crystal replacement.
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Psychopathy on 03/18/2012, 04:19 PM - view
Aahn on 03/17/2012, 04:24 PM
Seems like a topic to suck in fellow whiners hell-bent on forcing their view of an ideal environment on everyone else.(most of our so called hardcore pvpers)
If you cant cope with potters then leave.
Fairly simple.


Potting won't make you win...because both parties can pot....it will just prolong your death and the fight, making both players use a [filtered]load of money when a death will probably cost them less money. So...people will just not pot and die rather than waste a lot of money and then die and have to use more money for the broken crystal replacement.

Yeah pots will just prolong you death for .... FOREVER.
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tamernator on 03/18/2012, 04:29 PM - view
Psychopathy on 03/18/2012, 04:19 PM
Aahn on 03/17/2012, 04:24 PM
Seems like a topic to suck in fellow whiners hell-bent on forcing their view of an ideal environment on everyone else.(most of our so called hardcore pvpers)
If you cant cope with potters then leave.
Fairly simple.


Potting won't make you win...because both parties can pot....it will just prolong your death and the fight, making both players use a [filtered]load of money when a death will probably cost them less money. So...people will just not pot and die rather than waste a lot of money and then die and have to use more money for the broken crystal replacement.

Yeah pots will just prolong you death for .... FOREVER.


Well, I wouldn't know how long you can keep alive... I haven't played at cap and currently at 32, there's a bunch of classes that can 1 shot most classes...but I mean... lancers would never die...and never kill anyone, same for mystics, even when they already have a full heal fairy on short CD (but it can be killed).
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Synner on 03/18/2012, 02:32 PM - view

I plan to use every advantage i have whether its pots, scrolls, pigeons or monkeys in little bell hop suits.


and the more advantages that you can abuse, the less skill you need to win fights.

i guess i understand: you need help to win.
it's sad that so many people want/need every advantage imaginable.

i guess thats where GW2 comes in. real PvP, for real PvPers.
Edited by: Tidwell about 1 year ago
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Socio on 03/18/2012, 02:46 PM - view
Ahmon on 03/18/2012, 01:49 PM

Shut your [filtered], idiot. The facts are on my side. The Castanic was forced to use just as much potion as the Elin in the video provided. The instant heal potions were obviously not better in the situation, as they healed for the same or far less than a heal over time would have in two instances. Neither player was preparing to finish off the other - they were launching their best attacks as they became available as far as I can tell.


Yep, because using 2 less potions that heal for 25% less total health each = the same amount of potions.

Healing from 5.3% to 100% (94.7% heal)
24.4% to 100% (75.6% heal)
8.2% to 100% (91.8% heal)
12.5% to 100% (87.5% heal)
and 42.5% to 100% (57.5% heal)

Means his potions were worse than my 3 75% heal pots. Only one instant in this case is considered worse than one of the 75% HoT potions.

Having worse gear = being at a gear advantage. (142 vs 146, neither in PvP gear)

And because I was clearly red the entire time means I was at the advantage because he didn't want to fight. (He could've kept running if he wanted.)

Facts are sooo in your favor it's astounding. You don't have to agree with the thread or my argument, but stating that facts are in your favor is completely ridiculous.

Also you apparently haven't played or know much about Sorcerer, seeing as though we won't burst anything down from full life without being able to use Fireblast. Which in turn requires being able to use Time Gyre generally to keep them in place long enough to cast it; and that is on a minute cooldown.

Oh well. Hopefully EME understands where we're coming from, especially if they take a look at the video. Once again, I'm okay with consumables even being necessary to some extent. But they need a cooldown that's manageable, not that promotes potion spamming to the point of having to kill through someone's lifebar 5+ times. I couldn't imagine fighting a healer and/or lancer with these. 100% impossible to ever win.

Facts:

1) You both healed for about 158,000 life using potions.
2) You had 62,500 life. He had about 49,100 life.
3) Both of you were bursted down to low life and were forced to heal using potions to continue fighting.
4) Your enemy was not attempting to fight back for a large part of the video, especially the beginning and at the end.

The facts are in my favor to support the stance that you were mostly carried on your preparations. Potions had nothing to do with the hardship you had killing this target. And no, I don't know much about Sorcerors. Where I live, the game isn't out yet. It doesn't take a genius to recognize an idiot, though.

I don't disagree with the potion argument. It won't be in the game's best interest if the way to win OWPvP is to carry around seven or eight potions for every fight, and maximize the healing that those potions will do. However, this applies to all potions, not just the 100% instant full heal.
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This is a team based game who cares if you cannot kill someone 1v1 because he uses consumables. Talk to me when it saves you against a (non [filtered]) 2v2.
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Jimmyup on 03/18/2012, 05:40 PM - view
This is a team based game who cares if you cannot kill someone 1v1 because he uses consumables. Talk to me when it saves you against a (non [filtered]) 2v2.


How to win BGs in 2 easy steps. Bring a [filtered]load of potions, Have 5 tanks (lancers preferably because they can reduce dmg tone to teammates). Heal off pots every 30 sec.

What can you do when you go against 5 lancers that do fairly little dmg, but 5v1 they can kill you within 5-10 sec and they can all buff their teammates to take 90% less dmg and can also use a separate buff that can make a full hp target take all the dmg.....Explain to me how you will ever beat that 5v5 when they can circle jerk the buff and all full heal 5 seconds.
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Psychopathy on 03/18/2012, 06:05 PM - view
but 5v1 they can kill you within 5-10 sec and they can all buff their teammates to take 90% less dmg and can also use a separate buff that can make a full hp target take all the dmg.....Explain to me how you will ever beat that 5v5 when they can circle jerk the buff and all full heal 5 seconds.


It would not be 5v1 killing you in 10 seconds, because I would have teammates.

Lancers really are not that tanky if you focus them. I am under the impression that the lancer buffs to teammates do not stack too.

There is a reason people do not roll 5 lancers (or any class), because that setup is horrible. Not going to explain how a whole game works to you. Just going to have to call you a retard and say you are wrong.