Artificial Level scaling still ruining OWPvP.

Kairbear Profile Options #91

0
0
Neutral
Cogbyrn on 04/09/2012, 04:19 PM - view
Also, thanks for the tip that the mitigation is the part that is theoretical, Kairbear. I'm going to play around and see what I can come up with.

However, I'm still curious where "Extra damage" comes into play, if the Attack and Raw Damage calculations hold true. It doesn't seem to be part of the Attack Mod gained from gear, from what I can tell.


Extra damage is poor translation for knockdown damage. It is used in the calculation of your knockdown stat on your combat stats tab.
Cogbyrn Profile Options #92

0
0
Neutral
Kairbear on 04/09/2012, 04:23 PM - view
Cogbyrn on 04/09/2012, 04:19 PM
Also, thanks for the tip that the mitigation is the part that is theoretical, Kairbear. I'm going to play around and see what I can come up with.

However, I'm still curious where "Extra damage" comes into play, if the Attack and Raw Damage calculations hold true. It doesn't seem to be part of the Attack Mod gained from gear, from what I can tell.


Extra damage is poor translation for knockdown damage. It is used in the calculation of your knockdown stat on your combat stats tab.


Hahaha, really. I think that's beyond poor for a translation.

Thanks again. Now I can stop worrying about it.
Grishnakk Profile Options #93

0
0
Neutral
Can't offer any additional stats sorry Cog, wish I did more testing with more variables but didn't get too much of a chance and didn't want to hold Slei up for too long considering he was nice enough to even let me have 10 min of his time.

I don't think it just starts scaling at 11, but it is more of a non linear curve, starting out flat then increasing till it goes up hard and fast. There is definately something there other than the stats let on, the increase/reduction in crits alone says that and to an extent the damage increase does.

Willing to answer any more questions about my tests but thats all I can give.

Honestly close to giving up on this anyway as a good portion of my guild has canceled preorders due to the scaling, fast levelling speed and other smaller things. It would go a long way to get some type of dev explanation so we can all understand it but they are too busy commenting on stupid Elin clothing threads or dealing with the aftermath of people now cancelling due to lumbertown rape by bored 38's. TERA is looking like a filler till GW2 for a ton of people at the moment though due to how 1 sided the OWPvP can be due to all the issues in this thread.
Cogbyrn Profile Options #94

0
0
Neutral
No problem at all, Grish. Your data is extremely valuable, and I'm going to be crunching the numbers out of general interest/left-brainedness anyway.

I'm sorry to hear about your guild. I always find it unfortunate when people judge a situation without considering the whole, then use impressions on another game as a large influence. However, I hope they find something they enjoy at some point, though I'm afraid the Hype Machine ruins far too many gamers' realities these days.

I personally plan on playing GW2, but I'm not sure it'll be as fun as Tera has been, even only up to 38. For me, anyway. This is exactly the sort of game I've been looking for.

But I digress. To dinner, then maths.
SynysterOne Profile Options #95

0
0
Neutral
During CBT 5, I and 2 of my friends rolled as a Sorcerer(me), Lancer, and Mystic. There were several times where we ran up against 2-3 other players who flagged and started attacking us. Seeing that they were 4-6 levels over us we expected to be dying instantly, but to our surprise, we completely owned them.

By that, I mean we fought them to a draw for about 10 minutes.
With them having several levels on us, I consider that owned.

The only times where we noticed a difference in power was when we ran into a 38 while we were in our early 20's. Or when we ran into a sorcerer that had 8 levels on us.

Those were the only times we had no chance and ended up dying in 1-2 hits.
Pride13 Profile Options #96

0
0
Neutral
SynysterOne on 04/09/2012, 05:17 PM - view
During CBT 5, I and 2 of my friends rolled as a Sorcerer(me), Lancer, and Mystic. There were several times where we ran up against 2-3 other players who flagged and started attacking us. Seeing that they were 4-6 levels over us we expected to be dying instantly, but to our surprise, we completely owned them.

By that, I mean we fought them to a draw for about 10 minutes.
With them having several levels on us, I consider that owned.

The only times where we noticed a difference in power was when we ran into a 38 while we were in our early 20's. Or when we ran into a sorcerer that had 8 levels on us.

Those were the only times we had no chance and ended up dying in 1-2 hits.


You won't run into PVP-droolers all the time. Finding somebody who is a couple levels above you and with more than a single brain cell will usually leave you eating dirt instantly. Baddies with levels are still just baddies.
Edited by: Pride13 about 1 year ago
Cogbyrn Profile Options #97

0
0
Neutral
Unfortunately, I'm sure my lack of proper maths is hindering me in this venture. I'm currently wondering if the raw level is used in the calculation, or if they use a level difference. For example, would a level 40 hit a level 35 the same as a 38 given everything else equal? Would the level 35 hit the level 40 for less than the 38? How hard would a level 32 hit a 35?

If only there was a sandbox to play in, but alas. It's possible EME isn't allowed to release much in the way of damage calculations for whatever reason. Businesses work in mysterious ways sometimes. However, I'd still love to know.
Edited by: Cogbyrn about 1 year ago - Reason: Double negatives ruining everything.
Grishnakk Profile Options #98

0
0
Neutral
Cogbyrn on 04/09/2012, 06:21 PM - view
Unfortunately, I'm sure my lack of proper maths is hindering me in this venture. I'm currently wondering if the raw level is used in the calculation, or if they use a level difference. For example, would a level 40 hit a level 35 the same as a 38 given everything else equal? Would the level 35 hit the level 40 for less than the 38? How hard would a level 32 hit a 35?

If only there was a sandbox to play in, but alas. It's possible EME isn't allowed to release much in the way of damage calculations for whatever reason. Businesses work in mysterious ways sometimes. However, I'd still love to know.


Would theorise so based on what I've seen but not really too sure.
Camyllib Profile Options #99

0
0
Neutral
Couldn't you just prove it by the characters ungeared hitting each other? Same character type warrior vs. warrior even using the same skill just their level differences?

Would be interesting to see what 2 levels or 5 level differences would do.
Grishnakk Profile Options #100

0
0
Neutral
Camyllib on 04/11/2012, 06:18 PM - view
Couldn't you just prove it by the characters ungeared hitting each other? Same character type warrior vs. warrior even using the same skill just their level differences?

Would be interesting to see what 2 levels or 5 level differences would do.


Check the youtube link in my OP man ;)