Quote: Anthraxsnax on 03/15/2012, 02:03 PM - view

when there's someone tanking for you, yes, thats about all there is to it. sure, solo pve is different, but that's easy as hell or any class.

and i played slayer for CBT1


Quote: Anthraxsnax on 03/15/2012, 02:03 PM - view
you've effectively defined every single class in the game, bud.

Quote: Anthraxsnax on 03/15/2012, 02:03 PM - view
you talk about how slayers have one (1) overhand attack which makes them "difficult," when every lancer attack is a [slow] poke, or shield attacks that have less range than warriors. Zerkers main attack, also an overhand like attack, and the majority of warrior attacks have no range. one long range "straight" attack accompanied by various [massive] sweeping attacks by no means makes the class harder than the others.

and you may have to "time" your dodges, but you can hit them in any direction and avoid every attack that comes your way, not to mention its a gap closer as well.

"solid lockdown" is the very definition of slayers, they can even lockdown lancers, which no other class can do. no class can escape a decent slayer with their speed, gap closers, and CC; add to it their massive dmg output. which is why they're the best class in the game atm.

and you're doing something terribly wrong if getting hit by 1 sorc attack means you die.

Quote: Anthraxsnax on 03/15/2012, 02:03 PM - view
yes, its THE most powerful class in the game right now. which is why its FOTM.

anyway, not sure what the point of this argument is. slayer isnt hard, lancer not much harder. pretty stupid argument. all the melee classes are barely any different in terms of difficulty, and defending any saying any different [with such assurance] makes you look rather ridiculous.

[quote name='Tidwell' at='03/15/2012, 06:07 PM']
[quote name='Anthraxsnax' at='03/15/2012, 02:03 PM']and slayer isn't hard to play, it's hard to master. [/quote]
you've effectively defined every single class in the game, bud.[/qoute]

so what's the problem? easy to half [filtered] a class isn't a quality I care about... it's what it's like maximized that matter... if the class is insanely easy to reach this pinnacle - then it has a low skill cap... this is not the case thus - who care if bads can pick it up and still kill people with it?

[quote name='Tidwell' at='03/15/2012, 06:07 PM']
[quote name='Anthraxsnax' at='03/15/2012, 02:03 PM'] wish I could play a lancer and take 98729387 hits before I go down... and not have to time my dodges... and have some decent self healing... and have solid lockdown time of my opponents... not saying there aren't good and bad lancers, but I've played lancer - it's not like it's a harder class in PvP either. infact it allows for way more mistakes in terms of getting hit, rather than slayers margin for aim. if I'm fighting a sorc and they lock on to me and I hit my dodge early - I'm dead... no if ands or buts about it... I'm dead... you don't have that problem.[/quote]
you talk about how slayers have one (1) overhand attack which makes them "difficult," when every lancer attack is a [slow] poke, or shield attacks that have less range than warriors. Zerkers main attack, also an overhand like attack, and the majority of warrior attacks have no range. one long range "straight" attack accompanied by various [massive] sweeping attacks by no means makes the class harder than the others.[/quote]

zerkers hardest hitting ability is their AoE meat grinder charge up... their second hardest is the vertical chop charge up - but this attack has a much larger range of actually hitting than a slayers over hand.(probably because the axe is turned sideways) and lancer has the longest melee range in the game, and those "slow pokes" aren't so slow when you've got attack speed... so who cares about low level pvp balance around having 0% attack speed when you'll be up to your neck in it later?

[quote name='Tidwell' at='03/15/2012, 06:07 PM']
and you may have to "time" your dodges, but you can hit them in any direction and avoid every attack that comes your way, not to mention its a gap closer as well.[/quote]
it's not a gap closer... if you use it to gain distance you're handicapped(considering the animation seems faster when you realize that you're moving forward fast, but when you stand up it evens out how much land you gained in the process - thus not even remotely worth calling a "gap closer". we also can't AoE yank a group into getting 1 shot by a charge up skill. which do you think is actually going to win fights? ever think of synergy? surely with a sorc or zerker friend you should have no problem coordinating and killing whatever you need to... you can't do that even in the slightest with a slayer. and "ohh darn" for invincibility frames on dodge... I can't spam it mindlessly or I'll get killed.

and the "one move" that will make me lose against a sort is a root... if they land that it's root > sleep > fireblast for 3/4 of my HP bar. chuck out a little fire ball and try to get a lock on off and it's GG. there is a very easy tactic to killing us based on that information - but I'll leave it unsaid so I don't have to deal w/ sorcs laming out their combo on me.

lancers/zerkers on the other hand can toss their block/parry up all day everyday, and it's not a problem if they threw it up for no reason/too early. if I'm fighting an archer and I blow my dodge thinking he'll fire his charge right away - I'm going to eat a face full of arrow... lancer and zerker DONT have that problem.

[quote name='Tidwell' at='03/15/2012, 06:07 PM']
"solid lockdown" is the very definition of slayers, they can even lockdown lancers, which no other class can do. no class can escape a decent slayer with their speed, gap closers, and CC; add to it their massive dmg output. which is why they're the best class in the game atm.

[quote name='Anthraxsnax' at='03/15/2012, 02:03 PM']slayer is one of the best 1v1 classes in the game now, and at cap. it's also one of the "funner" classes in the game. and again, our primary source of damage comes from the overhand swing, which is NOT a "wide arching attack". [/quote]
yes, its THE most powerful class in the game right now. which is why its FOTM.

anyway, not sure what the point of this argument is. slayer isnt hard, lancer not much harder. pretty stupid argument. all the melee classes are barely any different in terms of difficulty, and defending any saying any different [with such assurance] makes you look rather ridiculous. [/quote]

it's tied in my book for 2nd best 1v1 class in the game... that doesn't mean most powerful class in the game... infact a lancer in the group is more likely a garanteed win over a slayer given they synergize better. later on zerkers can EZ mode slayers with inescapable - but all in all, slayer and lancer are tied on being number 2(only to mystics) for the best 1v1 classes in the game. lancer being better against ranged in general, and slayers being better against healers in general. aside from that - I don't care if it's "FoTM" because that doesn't actually mean there is a problem with the class. this is CBT, and yes - slayers are awesome at the lvl 32 cap considering we have almost all of our tools at this level while other classes dont.

I'm sorry that offends you so deeply... and I'm happy that you're ready to judge end game PvP based on lvl 20-30 experiences, where people dont have attack/run speed/glyphs/crystals. making any assessments at this point in the game[with such assurance] makes you look rather ridiculous. infact - the fact that you're dragging this out because the slayer class erks you is ridiculous.

gaiz, tidwell is mad at the slayer class, thus all of a sudden - 1v1 as a mystic takes skill! or atleast that's what you're apparently arguing against. why? idk - because you're in a bad mood? ohh well, I guess slayer's an easy class... lancers an easy class... zerkers an easy class... warriors an easy class... archers an easy class... sorcs an easy class... mystics an easy class... and ofcourse priests are an easy class too... takes no skill to(insert class strengths here) especially when other classes only have(insert class weaknesses here). Tera is an easy game, with easy classes, and nobody playing them is any good and carried by ____. everyone is OP and everyone lived happily ever after at lvl 32 in CBT.

i didn't bring any of this up bud. i'm not mad at the slayer class, i'm just annoyed someone can be so obsessed with defending the class in order to make them self look better. and i'm pretty sure you're the one who started going on and on about slayers in a mystic thread, not anyone else. i'm simply explaining why it's absurd to think so highly of the most powerful class in the game like you're the #1 TERAer in the world simply because you found success with this class. though it honestly has nothing to do with the class, but how you're approaching the topic; you're coming off as a complete and utter tool. and it's not just this thread, but, ever since the betas started, your whole persona has shifted from speaking your mind about PvP topics to doing whatever you can to talk yourself up and try to make yourself look good.

Quote: Tidwell on 03/15/2012, 07:24 PM - view

actually I said the good stuff doesn't start until ____ time... since 1v1ing as a mystic is boring and just spamming lockons - thats when people started flipping out. and my apologies tidwell... when you've been grumpy towards me it seemed like your primary gripe seems directed towards the slayer class - but if it's actually grumpiness towards me - then I'm sorry if I'm coming off like a douche. I had alot of fun in game and met alot of people - and made alot of friends in the process... I'm not sure why I've seemed uppity on the forums lately, and hopefully come launch I'll be less of a D bag on the forums... I legitimately didn't know my personality changed from pre CBT - and I thank you for bringing it to my attention.

I do for the record like the last half of this video, and thought I was nice about it - and gave legitimate feedback(which wasn't directed towards the player, but rather what parts stood out the best, and the parts that weren't flattering).

Quote: Tidwell on 03/15/2012, 07:24 PM - view

^

I wouldn't call it arrogance like Duck said or even a tool like you said Tidwell. I think Anthrax summed it up nicely for himself though.

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Haha sry Anthraxsnax kick em while they're down!

Nice vids I want to see some solo Priest pking vids now from somebody.

Quote: Pest on 03/15/2012, 08:25 PM - view

I'm confused at this...

I'm arrogant, and I might seem like a tool... but I wasn't kidding about being a less of a D bag come launch... we were on a solid track to being buddies and somewhere along the line I must have rubbed him the wrong way - and heres to hoping it's just a fluke.

ofcourse I'm a douche over the internet, but it's usually all in good fun... I don't intentionally jump on the PvP forums to belittle peoples videos, and I'd hope it doesn't come off like that.

I will however belittle peoples videos if thats what I think of them - and doing so to put myself up on a pedistal was never something I set out to do - and I'd hope that people would NOT take that from my comments. ofcourse in this video I didn't belittle the maker because he did well - but it has happened on other threads.

so tldr: I really dont tell people they suck to make myself look good. I'm fairly confident in my abilities that I don't need to put people down to feel good about myself... so if this is what the community perceives is the case - I should really pay attention to wording and tone. I'm obviously going to say something or someone sucks if they do - I'll just refrain from comparing myself to them in the process.

The hardest classes to master are the ones with the higher difficulty rating, that is what they are referring to with the ratings. They still want the classes to balance out in usefulness, but the ones with the higher rating will take longer to get good at. Those classes are Mystic and Warrior and I believe Lancer as well. Archer being the easiest, everything else middle of the road.

Quote: Anthraxsnax on 03/15/2012, 07:35 PM - view

Well if you are fighting a mystic and it is easy/boring for them to kill you, you aren't doing it right. It is actually pretty stressful and a mystic has to be pretty disciplined since they hit for nothing. They also have to continuously juke and fake out the opponent with their escapes to give themselves space.

If a mystic is predictable with their movements it is game over for them, if going against a smart opponent. I think it is entertaining controlling a fight, and killing classes that could take me down within a couple seconds if I didn't control the entire fight.

In a fight with mystic/slayer 1 class doesn't have to dodge and the other doesn't have to aim. It is basically even with skill in that aspect. If the mystic has better dodging/strategy then the slayer has aiming/strategy then the mystic will win.

Quote: Raclen on 03/16/2012, 07:43 AM - view

I think I've stated multiple times that the only class mystic really has to be afraid of is slayer... I'd venture to say if you encounter a good slayer and he's at full mana - you probably aren't going to make it out

Quote: decoyninja on 03/16/2012, 12:41 AM - view

those difficulty ratings are garbage