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TL;DR - I posted this in the old forums and Google found it for me (yay). There had been a thread about the Jail System (which for those new here has been taken out of the game). Although we never really had any info on the jail system, I had posted thoughts on ways to make it work. I think done right, it could be really cool.
And I know this is the PvP forums but General Discussion moves too fast and there are enough similar posts here that I think (hope) I'd get some responses from you guys. So here you go! It's not like you can play TERA tonight anyway so please read the whole thing! :)
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I think the jail system is an interesting and new idea so I'd like them to give it a fresh look before giving up on it, but not at the expense of the release date. If it needs to be added in a later patch that's fine.
Although one thing they could do to make it more fair would be to create a "council" of maybe 5 people that get elected via popular vote (regardless of whether the Vanarch was elected or battled into power). They work with the Vanarch to judge whether or not he can put a person in jail, or they can vote amongst themselves to put a person in jail that the Vanarch has rejected (i.e. if the Vanarch's best buddy is being an a**, they can choose to put that guy in jail whereas the Vanarch never would). If the server isn't happy with how the Council is doing, they can elect them out every two weeks.
Another idea I saw from another poster I thought was great:
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Originally Posted by Cynthric View Post
To add on to that, the player could have several options to get out of jail. Wait it out and get out once the full time has been paid, do the above PvE stuff to get out, or (if the Vanarch chooses this as an option), battle the Vanarch.
All players would know who was put in jail and why so they can decide if they think it's fair or not and vote out any Vanarch or Council members that are abusing their power. This knowledge also lets the players decide how to treat the jailed player (if they care at all) once their out - i.e. they can choose to not buy their auctions, PvP them open world, simply put them on the ignore list, whatever. If they go over the line well then they'll get put in jail probably too.
Just some thoughts. I think there's just so much possibility and it'd be so unique for a game to have this. It could be a lot of fun but also another way to keep the community in check.
A lot of players have voiced concerns over one person having a lot of power, but the Council would keep the Vanarch in check. Some people are concerned about paying $15 a month to be put in jail and not play, but in my opinion, if you were put in jail then a lot of people think you're doing something wrong and from their end, they're paying $15 a month for you to ruin their gaming experience. Another concern I saw was the below:
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Originally Posted by Arysana View Post
Sure, if they get voted into jail by the Council and Vanarch, then they go to jail. If they repeatedly commit some offense (maybe everyone is just that tired of their trolling, I dunno), they they keep going to jail. If people think that person shouldn't be in jail then mount a campaign to push the Council members and Vanarch out of jail - i.e. the troll gets friends together. This ties into the political system as well. As for the troll (or whoever the guy is that gets put in jail) putting people in jail, he'd have to earn the Vanarch position or a Council member position. So not only would other people have to like him to elect him as Vanarch or Council (or he could just win Vanarch by PvP), they'd have to agree with him in order to put anyone in jail.
So the system, on both ends - the jailors and the jailees - is not controlled by one person. It's always controlled by the majority. And I think each server community will treat things differently and have different cultures. Some servers will not mind trolls or gankers, some will. Some will get really serious about ninja looters and botters, some servers won't care. So find a community you like and stick with it.
And I know this is the PvP forums but General Discussion moves too fast and there are enough similar posts here that I think (hope) I'd get some responses from you guys. So here you go! It's not like you can play TERA tonight anyway so please read the whole thing! :)
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I think the jail system is an interesting and new idea so I'd like them to give it a fresh look before giving up on it, but not at the expense of the release date. If it needs to be added in a later patch that's fine.
Although one thing they could do to make it more fair would be to create a "council" of maybe 5 people that get elected via popular vote (regardless of whether the Vanarch was elected or battled into power). They work with the Vanarch to judge whether or not he can put a person in jail, or they can vote amongst themselves to put a person in jail that the Vanarch has rejected (i.e. if the Vanarch's best buddy is being an a**, they can choose to put that guy in jail whereas the Vanarch never would). If the server isn't happy with how the Council is doing, they can elect them out every two weeks.
Another idea I saw from another poster I thought was great:
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Originally Posted by Cynthric View Post
*yawn* A arguement based on a system we have little to no knowledge of. Seeing as EME said they wouldn't implement it unless it could be made fun all logic points to it not being "just sitting in jail" if it's implemented.
The point of being thrown in jail could be more of something to seperate a player who's harassing someone from their victim giving the victim some breathing room. So what do you do to do that? Make being thrown into prison into a break out of jail scenario dungeon that's a little time consuming. Think something along the lines of those breaking out of prison scenarios in the Fable games.
They could make it as detailed as those where you do a little forced labor where you've been stripped of your equipment then sneak around during breaks stealing keys etc. to get your equipment back, fighting your way through the guards and having to defeat a giant monster "guard" in the end.
Could make it a giant complex maze/labyrinth that the player has to figure their way out of, maybe fill it up with puzzle gameplay and traps, maybe a few trap switches that release/spawn a few monsters and have a big powerful monster "guard" that wanders the maze/labyrinth having the option to avoid it or fight it. Maybe you could meet up with other imprisoned players or npcs and team up to escape.
So many things could be done with the system to make it fun. Don't just throw the possibilities away thinking of the worst possible scenario. Instead of trying to throw away possible new original content why not throw some ideas at them? Maybe you could come up with something fun. Maybe they could even take multiple ideas for it if they're all different enough and implement them all as different jail scenarios for each of the different provinces.
To add on to that, the player could have several options to get out of jail. Wait it out and get out once the full time has been paid, do the above PvE stuff to get out, or (if the Vanarch chooses this as an option), battle the Vanarch.
All players would know who was put in jail and why so they can decide if they think it's fair or not and vote out any Vanarch or Council members that are abusing their power. This knowledge also lets the players decide how to treat the jailed player (if they care at all) once their out - i.e. they can choose to not buy their auctions, PvP them open world, simply put them on the ignore list, whatever. If they go over the line well then they'll get put in jail probably too.
Just some thoughts. I think there's just so much possibility and it'd be so unique for a game to have this. It could be a lot of fun but also another way to keep the community in check.
A lot of players have voiced concerns over one person having a lot of power, but the Council would keep the Vanarch in check. Some people are concerned about paying $15 a month to be put in jail and not play, but in my opinion, if you were put in jail then a lot of people think you're doing something wrong and from their end, they're paying $15 a month for you to ruin their gaming experience. Another concern I saw was the below:
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Originally Posted by Arysana View Post
We already have to deal with trolls in chat and on forums (and in real life), what are we going to do throw all the trolls in prison and hope they all get frustrated and go away? what if the Trolls start throwing people in prison just to troll? if these questions are still an issue then there is no point further discussing this particular portion of content and certainly there is no reason to delay a game's release date over it.
Sure, if they get voted into jail by the Council and Vanarch, then they go to jail. If they repeatedly commit some offense (maybe everyone is just that tired of their trolling, I dunno), they they keep going to jail. If people think that person shouldn't be in jail then mount a campaign to push the Council members and Vanarch out of jail - i.e. the troll gets friends together. This ties into the political system as well. As for the troll (or whoever the guy is that gets put in jail) putting people in jail, he'd have to earn the Vanarch position or a Council member position. So not only would other people have to like him to elect him as Vanarch or Council (or he could just win Vanarch by PvP), they'd have to agree with him in order to put anyone in jail.
So the system, on both ends - the jailors and the jailees - is not controlled by one person. It's always controlled by the majority. And I think each server community will treat things differently and have different cultures. Some servers will not mind trolls or gankers, some will. Some will get really serious about ninja looters and botters, some servers won't care. So find a community you like and stick with it.