Quote: Psychopathy on 03/21/2012, 02:35 PM

Then talk about Sieges being implemented. Talk about the whole SRO style Thief/Trader/Merchant system ( http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/player-vs-player/topics/Best-Open-PvP-Concept-Ive-ever-enjoyed-in-a-game ) that I made a post about a month ago. Talk about any system that doesn't PREVENT GAMEPLAY and DISCOURAGE PvP, instead of talking about a jail system?

To be honest I do want sieges or essentially open world warfare and conquest in the game. I would personally like to have so much more. I want the conquest, I want the loot drop, I want the jail system. I want the open world PvP system done to the extreme and so many options be there available. I do not want the bland joke we are given. The jail system allows the open world PvP to change and evolve.

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So again jail = preventing gameplay = bad idea since abusable AND it prevents gameplay....I mean, how is that not a bad idea?

Once again, your reasoning is quite wrong. You only look at it as a sole individual. The singular person who gets arrested...which would not happen crazy amounts unless they are letting it happen, and you are screaming that it takes your game time away.

Instead...what the jail system does is create a dynamic event that players can jump in and participate in whenever it starts to occur. A guild can help stop the arrest of their member, a guild or other enemies of the state can free the imprisoned player from their shackles. Players can defend the jailers and guard them on the trip opposing enemies. Players can create raids that have a multi-tier process of breaking into an actual jail and freeing any prisoner inside...heck this can be done anytime for the fun of it. People can guard the prison and experience the other side of this raid and the political system can have a larger meaning.

You are looking at the small picture, we are trying to look at the larger picture. We see what evolves from this, you only see what you as an individual might be limited by for a very short period of time.

You are largely ignoring all the features that enable PvP and harp on the one feature that provides some sort of consequence...albeit a short consequence. This is not a ban, it is not a keep your from PvP, it is a PvP enabler. It helps create this PvP excitement. The minute amount of time you might have spent in shackles is something that can be discussed as well on how to make it interesting.

I have already made tons of ideas on how being in the jail could become interesting, from smuggling weapons to gladiator fights (though this of course brings you away from Open World I guess).

Too many game developers are afraid to expand to anything, because players are afraid to try anything new. Most people who argue against this idea has never participated in a system fleshed out for this. Most people here have very little experience beyond WoW, Rift, or SWTOR PvP...and that is not true Open World PvP. Also..be aware I was not indicating anyone specific about who has no experience as I am not sure who does.

Despite your massive walls of text, full of red herrings that don't ever address the main issue(s)... I can't think of a way to make the jail system fun, and relatively protected from abuse.

We've read it. We understand it. We still think it's dumb. Clearly, so do the developers.

You have not made a single, intelligent counter-argument against the many posts that have explained how overly-simple this system would be to abuse.

Simply stating your opinion that "other systems can be abused too", is irrelevant, doesn't address the issue(s) and isn't helping your cause.

Your idea, as presented, fails to hold up against even the most cursory scrutiny.

Back to the drawing board with you. Only this time, please draw something up for the RP Server Forums and leave us alone. ;)

My dear, we never left the drawing board.

I wish game devs had more say in how their game is run. They could then try out ideas until they polish them out based on feedback and experience from hired testers or focus groups and truly build an MMO from the ground up.

We said countless times the other system aren't abuse free and there's topics all over the place regarding safe zone humping and 100% 30 sec hp pots and level difference bonuses and etc...

Dunno about him, but I have said multiple times if there is a jailing system that will actually jail people for a long period of time (and anything longer than the time it takes to take a break, watch an episode of Big Bang Theory or eat per day is too long...so 30 min max) it will be abused by the masses because most people are on the side of justice and if they lose a fight they start cheating and trying to get some other advantage and overall....abuse a system.

Ok, so to you, it makes more sense that the developers didn't implement a system/policy because of QQing, rather than because they thought it was a bad idea? I'd like to direct you to any of the 9797979798 posts about Elin armor that debunk that theory.

Nice try though. They didn't implement it, because it's a bad idea.

*Edit in case you miss the relevance.
En Masse have shown, quite clearly, that they are perfectly capable of ignoring QQing on the forums when they decide they want to implement something.

I'm not going to argue with you about any systems in the game other than the one we're talking about here. And yes, those are red herring arguments.

I've given examples of how your jail system can be abused. You're just seeing red and ignoring them. I even wrote one up in your RP-speak hoping to get through to you that way. Go back through my posts in this thread.

Also, you're the one trying to push something new and unwanted onto an open PvP server.

Is it not common sense that you should, at the very least, provide a plan that doesn't have obvious, gaping holes in it before Devs spend even 5 minutes on implementing it? Even if you make it air-tight on paper, there will still be flaws found once something like that went live. So far, you can't even get it right on paper.

Don't blame your failure to formulate a solid system on people who are criticizing the obvious flaws in it.

Soooooo... because I think your jail system is a bad idea that's full of potential for abuse, that means that I'm "trying to stagnate the genre with a 10 year old system"? Gotcha.

Do you realize how retarded that sounds?

I'm not anti-innovation. I'm not anti-change. I'm anti-bad-idea.

Your jail system, as it stands, is a bad idea.

By your own admission, your plan isn't "finished". How much sense does it make to get angry with people who are speaking out against a half-assed plan?

Soooooo... because I think your jail system is a bad idea that's full of potential for abuse, that means that I'm "trying to stagnate the genre with a 10 year old system"? Gotcha.

Do you realize how retarded that sounds?

I'm not anti-innovation. I'm not anti-change. I'm anti-bad-idea.

Your jail system, as it stands, is a bad idea.

By your own admission, your plan isn't "finished". How much sense does it make to get angry with people who are speaking out against a half-assed plan?

I am a student, I don't have time to work out ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of the kinks. If I was an employee of BHS/EME, and this was my job, then yes, I would spend night and day working on this, working out every last kink I could find, but I'm not. I have homework and other distractions. That is why I ask for feedback, and ways to fix some of the pressing issues.

This is why you test systems over and over and over and over and over until you get it right. You can't just magically come up with a good game design on the first go. It's trial and error.

If you like, we can have a back-and-forth discussion on the parts you have trouble with, and can work out what would go wrong. But I can't do anything with "I don't want a jail system."