Kick vote in CS

Anselme Profile Options #1

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Hi,

I'm here because i'm fuc*ing tired about CS !
I like to play pvp, but people are so toxic in CS ... however this is not the problem here i want to talk about.

The problem is about the kick vote in CS.
I want it to be remove, or at least change ! Because it' is a tool for toxic player to be more toxic, and nothing else !

I've discuss it with some people, and they tell me "yes but we need to kick afk players blabla" ... but no, we don't, there is an autokick system ! If the player is just moving every minutes ... well then it's not happening so often, take a screen and send it to the support and that's all. I know it's not optimal, but it's the less harmfull for others players.
Caus kick vote is toxic.

Last exemple, just 5 minuts ago, i did a CS, first phase, attack one, the lead is afk, well that's happen, in fact he wasn't afk he just didn't realised he was the lead : he was kick less than 15 sec after he spawn in. So this is so brainless, and also it happend too for ppl who got some lags, they are lead but it take time for them to spawn in an they are kick even before getting in sometimes.

Well then, the lead was kick, the lead pass to someone else, an this person gave me lead. Then i've one my job more than correctly, i did the right call at the perfect time, my team leaked at a ladder due to my call and we get inside, they were in difficulty but i manage to down the cristal almost alone and finished him !
So we won in like less than 8 min, wasn't super good, but i did my job, and we did not bad, and without my lead and my call i guess we could not even finished before 10 min (y we were in deep difficulty before it).

So, next phase, defense one, i gave my instructions, 5-1-5, because i saw how ennemys were playing, that's why we leaked at the ladder, that's the kind of team who go all in, so this 5-1-5 with mid canons watchins for SS were obvious. However i am the lead and i managed the victory just 1 min before.
But no, a toxic guy who cried from the start didn't agrea with me and cried again like "omg no 5-1-5 or it's lost blabla".
So he decide to launch a vote for kick me ...
THERE IS THE [filtered]*** PROBLEM : PEOLPLE MOST OF THE TIME, AGREA TO KICK VOTE WITHOUT EVEN CHECKING WHAT'S HAPPENING !

Usualy before the doors openned afk are kicked, so people are used to say yes like robots, and they don't even look at the name.
So, toxic players can launch a vote, and you got like 1/2 chance to be kick for absolutly no reason.
If you just "don't like" this player or whatever, want to be toxic, you got 1/2 chance to ruined his CS and his time.

THIS IS UNFAIR AND USELESS !

So of course, i've been kicked for no reason, ppl di 3-1-3 instead of what i've said because the toxic guy took back the lead, and they lose because all the ennemy team climbed where 3 ppl was not enough for defending so they lose.

But however, i don't care they won or not, the problem is : kick vote is unfair and is not usefull for anywthing and just gave toxic players tools for being even more toxic.

And i am really really tired of this, this is happening very frequently and i want it to change !
Like i said, kick vote is not needed in CS !

P.S. Sorry for grammar faults, english is not my mother's tongue :')
Edited by: Anselme 12 months ago
Wunzigan Profile Options #2

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Wunzigan Lvl.65
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Hi there,

I understand your point of view, but I completely disagree with you. Afk Leaders, should be kicked. Some people are not even aware they are lead, but they should be. Also players not listening to the plan, same fate. Sometimes they have to learn the hard way. Otherwise dont play CS.

PVE is even worse, party of 5 and a player doesnt know what to do or doesnt talk, doesnt listen in Party chat gets kicked. You got a few wrong crystals in you pve setup, u get kicked. Etc Etc.

In CS, sometimes, depending on the strategy, they tell you, "Fall back to mid asap" or "Dont Cap Mid" yet, some players dont wanna listen, and practically ruin the team's effort to win the CS.

So, if a player doesnt want to do CS properly, then learn to do it.

In PVE, you run dungeons, and once you learn the mechanics, you know what to do. I assume a typical player takes 5-10 clear, to learn a dungeon mechanic. Yet in CS, players with over 50 CS's on their char, still dont care to learn it. So lets pray you dont get kicked.

Again , being kicked for no reason is unfair and sucks. But, i believe that 90% of the kicks have some reason behind.
alien7ss Profile Options #3

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Leaders should be kicked !! 15 sec is enought to respawn ! in 30 sec the plan need to be discused, not saying about changing leader. I have ~50 games this month, and never got kicked ~30% i come as a leader

I think here is needed an autokick option also for AFK
Edited by: alien7ss 11 months ago
aeee98 Profile Options #4

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1) if you know what you are doing, 4-1-4 is way more than enough to stop a full 20 man ladder rush. If you need a 5-1-5, at least two people on your team are sleeping, and opponents would have been smart enough to take other objectives rather than just climbing like an idiot.

2) If you don't load in in 1 minute, you really deserve to be kicked. It is not toxic to kick people who don't even know they got into the game, much less realise they are lead. Everyone wants a win after all. Hence I don't mind being kicked if I was away, just gonna eat the dropout status for a bit (and since I don't care about crusade anymore rankings don't matter to me).

3) I am never kicked from CS apart from being afk. But I have seen people being complete idiots and doing something that could burden the entire team.Or just botting in base.

In short, you just lack CS experience. Just take the kick and learn from it next time.
SaphirKanzaki Profile Options #5

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Andunye.D.Anastasis Lvl.65
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It's better to tell you how things were before. Because the majority kickvote is an improvement the community asked EME/BHS to do.

Before, we had the old concordant vote system. Even one single "No"-vote has kept the player ingame. This also included non-votes (e.g. people not noticing the vote-popup minimized to the right lower corner or being afk).
This made it practically impossible to votekick anyone at all, because you always had someone not able to read english, pressing any random button, being afk or whatever.

You may not know it nowadays, but starting off with no leader is almost always a lost game. You have 2-3 people shouting NG, SG, SS and NS. In the end, you have 5 people on NG, 2 backcritters from NS, 3 climbers from NS, 3 on SS, 2 climbers SG and 5 attackers SG - just pure chaos. This has gotten a lot (!) better with the new kick system. Every random leader is taught to lead actively, pass lead or being kicked.
This principle is called "interest of the majority" where the game experience for 19 CS-player is not killed by one single player who is afk/doesnt notice being leader/etc.

Keep in mind that at the start of the game players even call out the names of the leader to give a plan. And if you intend to play seriously, you wait yourself for the leader to call out tactics.

In the beginning of the new votekick system, there were some abuses and trolls kicking innocent people. From my CS matches last weeks I wont say that troll kickings pass; people are voting responsible.
luneru Profile Options #6

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The system is fine, though I do agree some people just abuse it and people don't bother to read what's going on. I wouldn't worry about getting kicked in CS so much OP, it's just CS. If I get kicked as lead on my alt with barely 1100 while I'm afk getting drink or something, I honestly don't care lol. Just tells me if I got lead with such a low rating, my team is trash anyway, they helped me.

Being a leader in CS means nothing tbh, if your team has mostly low levels compared to the other team, you'll lose 90% of the time unless you get a lucky ninja. Low levels don't do good dps, they'll be auto-attacking the gate with no crystals, they can't pvp, healers probably don't have kaias or don't debuff the gate.
Anselme Profile Options #7

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HI

Thanks for your answers, but i do not agrea with any of you.

The things you say are :
You need to kick peoples who are doing bad things and don't know how to play and do not listen leader.
-> Well, you talk about those 5 taking SS when we say 20/20 gate and all ... in all CS i have done, i absolutly never see any of them kicked, and it's the same for people who keep pvp while we are all inner ...
And you know why, just beacause almost everybody don't give a f*** about that during the CS, they just kick vote before ot start and that's all.
And anyway, the leader isn't a god, people are free to play whatever they want, if they want to try ninja because they know what they doing why not ? And sometimes it bring the team to victory, so it's egoist to think only leader is in charge, it's a team game you know !

Then you say we need kick vote for afk.
-> Well, surprise, there is an automatic kick system, and if it's not efficient enough, then just reduce the time you can just not move and it'll be enough for afks ... ppl who afk and keep moving for not being kick are extremly rare, so taking a decision only for this limited situation isn't fair.

Next, you talk about the spawn time, you think 20 sec is enough to spawn ?
-> When like i just told it in my message, you know, a lot of people don't have a gamer pc and all, or can get connexions issues, and i don't know why they should be punished for this. Stop thinking only for yourself please, it's the same when you'r saying "if i get kicked then i just afk and go grab a drink" well, people are not all like you, and for my exemple, i can't play this often, i've got others things to do, so when i can play only 1 hours or less, if i lose already 30 min beacuse i get kicked for no reason, it is a total waste of time, and the game is bringing much less pleasure than what is supposed to, and it's boring after all.

Finaly, a most "strategic" question. You discuss about my leaders choices.
-> Well first i got the lead, i never tag without "being able to lead", then if i got lead, it's beacause i got a good ranking, and it's because nobody else want to lead. Then, if you don't want responsabilities, stop criticise what the lead is doing. It's you's a smartas* then tag as "able to lead" then lead and stop cry. Anyway if you don't agrea with the lead, you can maybe talk, and you don't need to kick him like that ... be smart sometimes it doesn't hurt !
And, sorry but, if i decide to do more than 4-1-4 it's because there is a reason. Like i told you, the ennemy team was a bit yolo rush, and i knew there are a lot of lvl <65 in my team, i knew 4-1-4 wasn't enough against a 20 raid people. Caus yes, people who are defending ladders are not obviously pro pvp players or lvl 65 and all ... And at the end, i was right, because they did the 4-1-4 instead of what i've said, and they were not able to defend the 20 people rush on the ladder, so ... nop, sometimes it's not enough ! There are no absolute rules in CS.


And of course, you consider every player like they should know exacly how CS works, and punish them if they don't. Well, you now most of people don't, there are a lot of lvl <65, new players and all.
So yes there is a leader for them, but everybody make mistakes, and punishing them the hard way isn't the right way to do for doing them play better.


So in conclusion, kick vote in CS, like i said it, isn't fair, and isn't a solution, even for every situations you exposed to me.
SaphirKanzaki Profile Options #8

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Andunye.D.Anastasis Lvl.65
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Hello Anselme,
I'm not gonna try to convince you otherwise. But I'll try to show how other CS player think.

If 5 people are flying SS and the leader ordered to attack SG, they disobey. But their intent is to cap mid or ninja, so their ultimate goal is to win for the team. This is why they arent kicked. If you see one player taking a stroll thru the meadow and not going for objectives, you can clearly say that there's no intent to contribute. These players will be kicked.

The afk autokick-system only works for real afk players (e.g. emergency and player left keyboard for real). The professional afk'ers do autoattacks or move every 20 sec (e.g. macros) to prevent being kicked by the system. This is why we urgently need the new kick system. In the past, you always had 1-3 afk botters.

Spawn time is far more than 20s. Plus the kick doesn't go instantly. We all know that the people start to say "Leadername, you are lead" or "plan?". The lead doesnt even have to say much, a simple "yo" after 20 sec does prevent being kicked. IF you are really loading 2 min, you should consider yourself not being fit as leader. Because you cant expect 19 people to lose CS and let them ride into different directions because one player has a loading time of 2 min and the game started already.

CS is one of the friendliest game modes for beginners. Even if you dont understand a single abbrevation, tactic or whatever, you just follow the mob. Run in zerg, do what others do and you'll be fine. Do this 10, 20, whatever times and you will learn how to play CS. Plus, the Tera community surprisingly repeats every single time the 3-1-3. From all other MMOs I've played the community would say "Why repeat the 3-1-3? Too lazy to type the obvious". Leaders point out to PvP at gate, cap pyre, hold mid, guard ladders, call ships, whatever. I even read the totally needless "No healers in tanks or ladders" often enough. This game mode is beginners friendly because one single player cant throw the game for 19 other players like Kumasylum. Wanna see toxic comments? Play Kumasylum where you do one single mistake and the game is lost.

It's quite unfortunate you didn't play the old kick system. You would understand why we argue this way.
Helenne Profile Options #9

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I totally disagree with you man...

I am a full PvP player, im doing CS all day long, and is frustrating to see people that ruin the effort of the rest... For example, a lead that calls 5-1-5 should learn to play and should be kicked out...

As some one said before:

SaphirKanzaki on 04/20/2016, 03:40 AM
CS is one of the friendliest game modes for beginners. Even if you dont understand a single abbrevation, tactic or whatever, you just follow the mob. Run in zerg, do what others do and you'll be fine. Do this 10, 20, whatever times and you will learn how to play CS. Plus, the Tera community surprisingly repeats every single time the 3-1-3. From all other MMOs I've played the community would say "Why repeat the 3-1-3? Too lazy to type the obvious". Leaders point out to PvP at gate, cap pyre, hold mid, guard ladders, call ships, whatever. I even read the totally needless "No healers in tanks or ladders" often enough. This game mode is beginners friendly because one single player cant throw the game for 19 other players like Kumasylum. Wanna see toxic comments? Play Kumasylum where you do one single mistake and the game is lost.


P.D.: Not being toxic but giving you an advice: LEARN TO PLAY!
Edited by: Helenne 11 months ago - Reason: Adding info
Anselme Profile Options #10

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Well nobody isn't reading what i answer in this post ... that's already boring, it looks like CS so much ...

"If 5 people are flying SS and the leader ordered to attack SG, they disobey. But their intent is to cap mid or ninja, so their ultimate goal is to win for the team. This is why they arent kicked. If you see one player taking a stroll thru the meadow and not going for objectives, you can clearly say that there's no intent to contribute. These players will be kicked. "
-> Well ... yes .... but no ... like i said it 3 times already, 90% of the time those players aren't kicked anyway beacause most of players don't care about kick vote while they are in fight.
And like i said, people who want to ninja and really do something for the team are not to kicked, so i don't even know why you'r responding this ....

I am a full PvP player, im doing CS all day long, and is frustrating to see people that ruin the effort of the rest... For example, a lead that calls 5-1-5 should learn to play and should be kicked out...
-> Go read what i've said, there is no fixed rules in CS, and you must adapt the strat depending on your ennemys and team capacity ... before saying l2p ... plz watch yourself, caus like i said it, 5-1-5 was obviously needed in this situation, and we lose because 5-1-5 wasn't in place, and for this only reason.

Please, if somebody want to comment again, read all the messages before, i'll not repeat myself over and over again.

Thanks !