New Rules are Horrible!!!

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ValkyrieLaw on 03/07/2012, 08:08 PM
Arbitrary restrictions we didn't need. Sorry, I don't need a game-mechanic telling me not to kill lowbies to not want to. Hand-holding and invisible barriers are not for me.

Enjoy your watered-down ruleset.

On the flip-side, this just makes the real griefers happier. Perma-red status is what they're after, and the best way to do that is farm some lowbies. Lowbies that won't get protection from high levels anymore, because arbitrary rules were put in place so they don't have to help.


What rule set are you looking at? All I read was that someone would not go back to normal status after 60 seconds if they went outlaw and killed someone who was 6 lvls or more under them. Yes, the griefers will get the perma red, but they aren't going to get slapped with a debuff or stat penalty so I don't see how something that amounts to an extended timer would make other high lvls feel like they don't need to help.

I would think that the extended outlaw status would make it easier to follow the red=dead policy so many people run around with and would encourage hunting in a way.
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aliabobalia on 03/07/2012, 08:07 PM - view
i don't think the new rules are that bad... in fact they probably won't even affect me. the only people who should be complaining are the people who plan on gankin lowbies. in fact i like the rules, because its more likely that lots of people will be flagged red from now and on.


Alia you didn't read the whole thread...i start off not liking the new rules but after some clarity (if it is all true) i like the new rules
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So if you killed someone 6 levels lower than you and were in outlaw mode constantly what happens when other low levels try to attack you in this state and you kill them? It was said you won't get penalties for defending yourself but I thought this only applied in the event that an outlaw 6 levels lower than you who was already flagged tried killing you and you killed them instead.
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Kirarina on 03/07/2012, 08:35 PM - view
So if you killed someone 6 levels lower than you and were in outlaw mode constantly what happens when other low levels try to attack you in this state and you kill them? It was said you won't get penalties for defending yourself but I thought this only applied in the event that an outlaw 6 levels lower than you who was already flagged tried killing you and you killed them instead.


I think it does only apply to low lvl outlaws attacking you. And honestly, it's easy enough to avoid attacks by someone lower lvl than you. Unless your pride prevents you from running away, then maybe don't hang around the low lvl areas. I don't think there will be roaming groups of lowbies patrolling higher lvl areas looking for a high lvl outlaw to harass as that person is trying to kill mobs to lower their infamy. And staying in town/safe zones is currently an option available to outlaws.
Edited by: kaikitsu05 about 1 year ago
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ValkyrieLaw on 03/07/2012, 08:08 PM - view
Arbitrary restrictions we didn't need. Sorry, I don't need a game-mechanic telling me not to kill lowbies to not want to. Hand-holding and invisible barriers are not for me.

Enjoy your watered-down ruleset.

On the flip-side, this just makes the real griefers happier. Perma-red status is what they're after, and the best way to do that is farm some lowbies. Lowbies that won't get protection from high levels anymore, because arbitrary rules were put in place so they don't have to help.

I was annoyed that I wouldn't be playing on the ffa faction-less no-holds-barred owpvp server. I no longer care. *shrug*


bye bye kiddo

PvP servers - 1 carebear
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kaikitsu05 on 03/07/2012, 08:38 PM - view
Kirarina on 03/07/2012, 08:35 PM
So if you killed someone 6 levels lower than you and were in outlaw mode constantly what happens when other low levels try to attack you in this state and you kill them? It was said you won't get penalties for defending yourself but I thought this only applied in the event that an outlaw 6 levels lower than you who was already flagged tried killing you and you killed them instead.


I think it does only apply to low lvl outlaws attacking you. And honestly, it's easy enough to avoid attacks by someone lower lvl than you. Unless your pride prevents you from running away, then maybe don't hang around the low lvl areas. I don't think there will be roaming groups of lowbies patrolling higher lvl areas looking for a high lvl outlaw to harass as that person is trying to kill mobs to lower their infamy. And staying in town/safe zones is currently an option available to outlaws.


Its not my pride its my thirst for PvP to be honest i dn't care if your +50 levels higher or -50 levels lower "Red is dead" that's just how i play.
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kaikitsu05 on 03/07/2012, 08:38 PM - view
Kirarina on 03/07/2012, 08:35 PM
So if you killed someone 6 levels lower than you and were in outlaw mode constantly what happens when other low levels try to attack you in this state and you kill them? It was said you won't get penalties for defending yourself but I thought this only applied in the event that an outlaw 6 levels lower than you who was already flagged tried killing you and you killed them instead.


I think it does only apply to low lvl outlaws attacking you. And honestly, it's easy enough to avoid attacks by someone lower lvl than you. Unless your pride prevents you from running away, then maybe don't hang around the low lvl areas. I don't think there will be roaming groups of lowbies patrolling higher lvl areas looking for a high lvl outlaw to harass as that person is trying to kill mobs to lower their infamy. And staying in town/safe zones is currently an option available to outlaws.


I'm trying to say like this once your red you killed a lowbie and get the infamy points right. Say you continue hanging around low level areas in your perma red and low level people start attacking you as white because they have no reason to flag red to attack you (Unless I forgot how it worked since it's been 2 weeks and that to attack an outlaw you did have to be red yourself which i'm pretty sure isn't correct but again I forgot). So they attack you as whites while your away from that area but still red from infamy and you kill them "defending yourself" does that add more infamy? Although if you're getting killed by people 6 levels lower than you in the current state of this game somethings wrong anyway I guess because of the level defensive attack modifier that the higher level would have over the lower levels.
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Since obviously I haven't played CB3 to test out the tweaked system, I am assuming that yes, if you do attack the white lowbies who are attacking you and kill them in self defense, it will still add to your infamy. But if you don't want to add to your infamy, you should probably not stay in the lower lvl areas and just flat out avoid exchanging blows with lowbies that attack you as you make your way out.

@ghost, the "To prideful to run" refers to the outlaw that's surrounded by lowbies. The outlaw can either kill the lowbies and increase the amount of time they spend in outlaw status, or suck up their pride and run to avoid killing them and move to either a higher lvl area or to a safe zone.
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kaikitsu05 on 03/07/2012, 08:53 PM - view
Since obviously I haven't played CB3 to test out the tweaked system, I am assuming that yes, if you do attack the white lowbies who are attacking you and kill them in self defense, it will still add to your infamy. But if you don't want to add to your infamy, you should probably not stay in the lower lvl areas and just flat out avoid exchanging blows with lowbies that attack you as you make your way out.

@ghost, the "To prideful to run" refers to the outlaw that's surrounded by lowbies. The outlaw can either kill the lowbies and increase the amount of time they spend in outlaw status, or suck up their pride and run to avoid killing them and move to either a higher lvl area or to a safe zone.


That sounds like how i'm interpreting it. I definitely like the system because I feel it forces people to make a choice and I don't particularly think that it nerfs the outlaw system either it encourages actually living up to the name because you can't just play chicken with lowbies you actually have to man up to it.
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ghost69 on 03/07/2012, 05:15 PM - view
"If someone initiates combat with you they mark themselves as an outlaw, but you do not mark yourself as an outlaw. So no, you will not get infamy points for defending yourself.

-GM Tonka"

Ok nvm this answer all my concerns then.


Hate to be THAT guy that quotes himself but....guess you guys miss'd this

you can find the source here: http://tera-answers.enmasse.com/posts/8844c422a7
Edited by: ghost69 about 1 year ago