Castle or city sieges, or some open world objective system wouild be great -- make vanarch pvp election via some open world pvp. Battleground pvp is way too subjective.
I can assure you that people do not only do BG's for the gear, A big reason that I and MANY people in my guild and most guilds that I've spoken to are real PvP'rs. You know, the people that actually believe skill and teamwork matter? So to us, 5v5, 10v10 is the only reason why we play this game, because it shows off our individual and teamwork skills ALOT better than getting lucky that you had more people/ better team comp then the other Guild in OWPVP. Yes OWPVP is fun, and is needed in a game, but it's also NOT the competition alot of people are here for.
Funny thats all BG's ever are. Specifically Tera's BG's.
A lot of people looking for BG's in Tera is subjective. Also, you saying skill and teamwork don't matter in OW PvP and GvG's is showing how ignorant you are. You are never set in the objective or players your fighting against in OW PvP. You are consistently having to adapt to the environment and situation you are placed in. Not like in BG's where everything is the same thing over and over again.
In the OW you might fight against people that are smaller then you, where things get a little easier. You might fight against people who are bigger then you, and push you to play harder, faster, and smarter. When you come out on top in those situations it only shows how much more skilled you were and the victory becomes sweeter. Your victory actually means something.
Not like in BG's where everything is the same thing over and over again. Where you fighting the specific compositions because its is FotM. Or being completely anonymous with the people your fighting against.
If you want to do 5v5 and 10v10 there is still a system in place you can do it with, and even allows you to bet on your skill as a player and team. Death Matches are great for this.
On a side. If you really are in it for just the even match fighting, you won't mind us taking out the PvP rewards then? Since OW PvP doesn't have them either.
On a side. If you really are in it for just the even match fighting, you won't mind us taking out the PvP rewards then? Since OW PvP doesn't have them either.
I would love for PvP to not have rewards. The lower the bar of entry, the more people we can get into the competition, the better.
The problem is, some people just want to PvP, and they need to be able to compete with those who PvE. You either:
1. Provide PvP rewards so they can gear up alongside PvEers.
2. Don't provide PvP rewards and make them grind PvE, to their dismay.
OWPvP is exploitable when it comes to rewards, so it simply doesn't make sense.
I can assure you that people do not only do BG's for the gear, A big reason that I and MANY people in my guild and most guilds that I've spoken to are real PvP'rs. You know, the people that actually believe skill and teamwork matter? So to us, 5v5, 10v10 is the only reason why we play this game, because it shows off our individual and teamwork skills ALOT better than getting lucky that you had more people/ better team comp then the other Guild in OWPVP. Yes OWPVP is fun, and is needed in a game, but it's also NOT the competition alot of people are here for.
Funny thats all BG's ever are. Specifically Tera's BG's.
A lot of people looking for BG's in Tera is subjective. Also, you saying skill and teamwork don't matter in OW PvP and GvG's is showing how ignorant you are. You are never set in the objective or players your fighting against in OW PvP. You are consistently having to adapt to the environment and situation you are placed in. Not like in BG's where everything is the same thing over and over again.
In the OW you might fight against people that are smaller then you, where things get a little easier. You might fight against people who are bigger then you, and push you to play harder, faster, and smarter. When you come out on top in those situations it only shows how much more skilled you were and the victory becomes sweeter. Your victory actually means something.
Not like in BG's where everything is the same thing over and over again. Where you fighting the specific compositions because its is FotM. Or being completely anonymous with the people your fighting against.
If you want to do 5v5 and 10v10 there is still a system in place you can do it with, and even allows you to bet on your skill as a player and team. Death Matches are great for this.
On a side. If you really are in it for just the even match fighting, you won't mind us taking out the PvP rewards then? Since OW PvP doesn't have them either.
I can care less about PvP rewards tbh. and you saying it the same thing over and over? That does not make any sense at all. That is like saying the same 5v5 games on the same Counter Strike map the last 10 years has been the same thing over and over, Or every starcraft game on the same map is the same thing over and over. That's just...dumb? Even if you had the same 5 players of each team, playing the same classes, doing a match over and over it will be different EVERY time.
As for this moronic post. The reason people stop doing OW PvP to do BG's is...oh lets see, its the only way to get PvP gear. Take away the rewards from your BG's and it will be desolate.
So why petition for no BGs when you can just petition for no BG rewards?
Vunak is just a casual PvPer and has no experience in competitive PvP.
Oh we need castles/forts or PvP is not fun. We need roaming gank squads and one-shots or else PvP is not fun. We need massive zergs or PvP is not fun.
Actual competitive PvP is when everyone involved actually knows all the minute game mechanic secrets (because there are secrets, even for Tera) and can execute with less than 50ms accuracy, where even the smallest detail matters. And yes, where the fights are reasonably even.
OP is obviously bad a having to use his brain in a bg to complete the objective rather than just run around aimlessly trying to kill people. You are the problem with bgs, you are the person who sits in the middle dancing around trying to find someone to kill while everyone else is completing the real objectives of the bg.
I can assure you that people do not only do BG's for the gear, A big reason that I and MANY people in my guild and most guilds that I've spoken to are real PvP'rs. You know, the people that actually believe skill and teamwork matter? So to us, 5v5, 10v10 is the only reason why we play this game, because it shows off our individual and teamwork skills ALOT better than getting lucky that you had more people/ better team comp then the other Guild in OWPVP. Yes OWPVP is fun, and is needed in a game, but it's also NOT the competition alot of people are here for.
Funny thats all BG's ever are. Specifically Tera's BG's.
A lot of people looking for BG's in Tera is subjective. Also, you saying skill and teamwork don't matter in OW PvP and GvG's is showing how ignorant you are. You are never set in the objective or players your fighting against in OW PvP. You are consistently having to adapt to the environment and situation you are placed in. Not like in BG's where everything is the same thing over and over again.
In the OW you might fight against people that are smaller then you, where things get a little easier. You might fight against people who are bigger then you, and push you to play harder, faster, and smarter. When you come out on top in those situations it only shows how much more skilled you were and the victory becomes sweeter. Your victory actually means something.
Not like in BG's where everything is the same thing over and over again. Where you fighting the specific compositions because its is FotM. Or being completely anonymous with the people your fighting against.
If you want to do 5v5 and 10v10 there is still a system in place you can do it with, and even allows you to bet on your skill as a player and team. Death Matches are great for this.
On a side. If you really are in it for just the even match fighting, you won't mind us taking out the PvP rewards then? Since OW PvP doesn't have them either.
With no rewards this game's PVP aspect will be dead within a month.
I am not against having bg's as they are another option for those who enjoy pvp and to those who enjoy a more balanced match up .
I am against them when they are in a game to the exclusion of owpvp and when devs believe that is all that is needed. Tera has a good system in place and a lot of potential, I just made a thread owpvp suggestions so please add your piece